entran­ger­mer­cen­ary wrote:
It's not a case of men in black shining a flashing light in your eyes for 30 seconds or saying a coded word and you go rambo,it's subtle layers or influences year in year out imho.

humanspirit wrote: This is the basic idea, however, I still think it is more likely that this is a person who had a more mundane breakdown.

It would be an interesting - and difficult to answer satisfactorily - question as to why these incidents almost always seem to occur in the United States, or at least tend to receive most publicity when they occur in the US, when there are other nations with similar gun laws and prevalence of firearms.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
because usa is #1. you know that.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I am surprised it doesn't happen more often and quite impressed with peoples tolerance of others,especially in countries where firearms are prevalent,although i must admit i don't have any figures to quote on this subject.

humanspirit wrote: You can see a list here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...tional_homicide_rate

Compare the homicide rate in Switzerland, where the gun laws are described as follows:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

There are other examples you could pick out, but the homicide rate is nearly 800% higher in the US than Switzerland. AFAIK, you just don't hear of people shooting up public places in Switzerland like you do in the US. I could suggest all kinds of reasons for this, but I think it's too simplistic to say that guns equal homicides. Virtually no-one owns a gun in Britain, and the homicide rate is double that of Switzerland.

Anthony65 wrote:
It will be a USA police state to begin with, then it will spread worldwide, since all other countries governments agree on imposing a NWO. 12 dead and 50 injured is definetly not a movie, this is real life.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Answer the question why is not members of the armed forces who you say are psychopaths and murderers and indoctrinated all ready ?

[humanspirit wrote:
Exactly what I'm thinking. The only question I have is where these influences may have come from

Denver.... 17 miles from Columbine, the Jon Benet Ramsey thing recently resurfaced in the news too.... now this.

Once again, lone nut? Breakdown? Witnesses say he took a call, went outside, came back in and started up. He knew he was going to jail, given his online requests at an intimate dating site. Witnesses also said he was calm as could be, was very well prepared and went about the task emotionlessly and efficiently, almost like he was a trained pro. I think people automatically start to think "Well the guy is nuts....." because most people feel that to do something like this, you must be crazy. He rigged his apartment, wore body armour, a gas mask, had tear gas, and an expensive arsenal to do business with. Ya know? He was deliberate, and very well organized. Leave the leap to "mind controlled" out of it if it's just too much to consider, but this looks like a paramilitary styled hit. Where did he get his weapons and preparation training? Online? Call of Duty: Black Ops?

Once again, the whole "did it to be famous" thing used to work in the 70's and early '80's as a "reason", but now, these things are a dime a dozen -- here today, gone later today in the MSM.

gun laws in switzerland are very different from america its part of civil deffence to have an authorised weapon in the home
once certain criteria are reached ie no mental health issues etc ,
ammunition is strictly controlled and accounted for if as much as one bullet is accounted for on inspection then its jail and no more guns ever ,
prior to and during gun ownership training is given in its use etc
theres no comparison between the two nations gun laws ,

murder statistics and gun violence are in comparable also as they are two indirectly connected events
for example in america murder rates outside of gun crime are about one quarter of all murders ,
but its the amount deaths in relation to shooters and horrific injuries that set gun aside ,
i mean how many nra supporters were in that theatre how many pro gun how many gun owners ?
and what bloody good did it do them

Steevo wrote:
wow is that the only options

mushy, here is AJ video you were talking about.

mushy wrote: I wouldn't say that they're vastly different, I would say that they're somewhat different. Regarding the ammunition being strictly controlled, what good would this do if someone went postal and gunned down a load of people? It simply doesn't happen in Switzerland, however, despite the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of guns stored at private homes. The culture is simply much healthier.

As I say, the homicide rate in Britain is double that of Switzerland, despite the fact that the legislation is much more prohibitive. In fact, after the 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act, despite tighter regulation of firearms, a 2006 study in the British Journal of Criminology found that gun crime had increased. You can read about this here:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

I wouldn't want to see the UK become like the US in this respect, but I think it is too simplistic to simply say that guns equal homicides. It doesn't stand up to statistical scrutiny.

entran­ger­mer­cen­ary wrote:
you cant control anyone's mind , people will only do what they ultimately want to unless suffering from psychiatric disorder
they got the guy bang to rights and people say its staged its mk ultra honestley are you trying to sound fucking stupid saying he was mind controlled nobody can mind control anyone get it

wake_up_bomb wrote:
are you saying that guns are ok because un related statistics of gun deaths and murders by other means prove it ?

er dunblane , roal moat etc were do these mass killings by lone gunmen fit into statistics ?
few weeks ago a guy went mental in glasgow running up a busy street slashing and stabbing people imagine if it was that guys civil right to own a gun , he injured a dozen or more people ffs imagine football gangs armed with guns because its their right ffs your statistical argument is so flawed it doesn't pass basic scrutiny

Anyway, if it is true that the "right to bear arms" was put into the constitutions in order to protect the people from a murderous dictator, then any shooting incident like this very sad one, should not be used to take away the rights of innocent people who harm nobody, to continue to bear arms. If people/governments are using guns in the wrong way, then the CAUSE of it is of primary importance, and should be looked at and dealt with (communities breaking down etc), with a view to NOT taking away the right to bear arms. I dont own a gun and dont intend to but I understand why it was/is important for Americans to do so.

to understand why guns are a danger you need to grasp how easy they make killing a person or a group of people ,
if a countrys murder rate is high without guns it would go through the fucking roof with guns and if violent assualts are common then adding legal guns to the cocktail will escalate deaths tenfold ,
how americans think by owning guns their goverment is scared of them and killers are scared of them beats the shit out of me ,
goverment would call on the army to quell any mass gun battle ffs thats bye bye billy bob and texas dan from two miles away courtesy of apaches (the modern kind )
as for crooks with illegal firearms its a fact that a helluva lot of them illegal guns were stolen from people who had that now illegal gun to protect themselves from the very thing they helped create ILLEGAL FIREARMS

Steevo wrote:
i dont see a problem with sporting guns that are properly controlled but cmon this guy had an ar15 youtube is filled with guys with ak47s even 50 cal rifles wtf for its insane

mushy wrote: I just said...wake_up_bomb wrote: There are 420,000 firearms in people's homes in Switzerland, and their homicide rate is half that of the UK, where such behaviour is strictly prohibited by the state. Despite this, since stricter regulations came into place, firearm-related incidents have increased. This is not some tenuous opinion from a pro-gun pressure group, it is from the British Journal of Criminology.

The point is that the relationship between guns, government regulation and firearm ownership is more complex and nuanced than either the completely pro or anti-gun people would have you believe, and also there is not a definitive correlation between number of guns per head of population and number of homicides.

The Swiss do 2 yrs National Service and are then required to keep their firearm at home. The people are trained.
Now if the NRA didn't pish about with their selective emphasis of the US 2nd* amendment a similar situation may have been in place there.The people were supposed to be trained and regulated.

Different culture, completely different outcome.

chandrakavi wrote:
oh ty