Mike wrote:
Waffle.
A vote is equal to 100% support for your potential elected representative. You can't vote 65% conservative, 25% labour, 5% liberal, and 5% other.
You can only offer any of the above either 100% ... or 0%. How much of the manifesto you support is irrelevant, since you can only vote for all of it.

Well you'll be pleased to know that we all take people who worship Karl Marx's failed vision completely seriously.
Perhaps some people aren't soft enough to require an authoritarian government in their lives and voting for a bunch of provably crooked tossers without any other option is something that we wouldn't even consider?

I abstain. If many more did the same.... it's not rocket science is it?

Back to retardville.

.......... wrote:
The libertarian party was an option lol

Mike wrote:
A stupid opinion that supports the two party state and therefor nullifies any hint of being for democracy

Mike wrote:
So I should start voting Labour because I don't approve of the monarchy?
Gimme a break. That's just fucking preposterous.


I don't see any real democratic process apart from a token gesture to give the pretence that one exists to hoodwink utterly docile people like yourself.

How can he be for democratic participation if he supports 'tactical' voting in a two party state? Ffs lol Orwellian as fuck

Mike wrote:
From the one who thinks anarchists should be voting.

Fuck off Mike, even your WUMs have lost their mojo.

Mike wrote:

Space Bandit wrote: I totally disagree with that, I 100% disagree with the Tories, that is the only conviction that influences my choice, I actually vote and volunteer for the Lib Dem's in my area despite being probably 90% opposed to their policies, the party I am least opposed to is the Green Party but Lib Dems are currently the only party that compete with the Tory Shits.
Your policy is 100% passive acceptance of all of the above, Tory, UKIP, BNP, Labour, Liberals, then complaining.The reality is a large proportion do abstain from voting, and it makes a bit of a difference, for instance ideologically conservative middle aged wealthy white racists will vote for the Tories or UKIP regardless whether you tell them to or not, in a country with a Monarchy like the UK there is obviously a strong Conservative tendency that permeates with class division in every aspect of society so if large proportions of a counter culture refuse to vote against the Tories, preferring instead passive acquiescence and head in the clouds wilful ignorance then the White Racist Upper Class exploitative mentality will become the dominant political voice and Labour will merely come to reflect a more human/social form of the similar conservative reformist agenda.
That's what's happened, a large proportion of every country votes and thus determines the government for the rest of their compatriots, these are also the people politicians are interested in pleasing, you can't stop them because many of them really support people like Boris Johnson, Ian Duncan Smith, WIlliam Hague etc etc...
The way you interpret Marx is ideologically biased, in typical bourgeois fashion you expect him to be an Idealist, having grand visions, great ideas of some predetermined Utopian end goal...Absolutely laughable.

Space Bandit wrote: How did the Liberal Democrats get into power with the Conservatives?
Was it because people voted for them, or was it because people didn't vote for either?
You're an idiot, it's effortless for me to insult you, to call you names, you continually justify it with your attitude, however it's clear yourself and others struggle to insult me, you have to reach and grab for a slur or accusation to level at me, I wonder, is it personal animosity?
Or perhaps it is wilful ignorance, by focusing on me, and finding some way to argue like calling me docile and dismissing everyone who votes as dumb you avoid ever having to think about the questions I ask you.

I wasn't telling you to vote for labour, I was just making the point there are political organizations that exist, who's sole policies are the dissolution of the Monarchy, are you a member or affiliate?

Or just a bitter depressed cynic?

oioioi wrote: I don't decry the anarchist burning and robbings of shops that occurred in London, I don't decry the blac block attacking bourgeois properties and halting production on factories, supermarkets, high streets etc, i'm open to your input as to what you mean by anarchos, I just see you as people without direction basing your civil existence on personal ideology or emotionality.

psketti wrote: Typical inane CT response, feel free to improve upon my suggestion as to how you could be more democratically active, that was after all why I made it.

Mike wrote:
But you think they should vote.

Fascist.

Mike wrote:
Your agreement isn't required.

So essentially, vote for which one you think is less evil.

I hold the position of being able to complain about all of them... because I know they're all corrupt scum fuckers.
You on the other hand should be held accountable for any policies (such as war) inflicted by your chosen political party.

& similarly, if enough people didn't vote....
how long before it sinks in ffs?!

What's laughable Michael is your feeble attempt to attribute this strawman to me.

What reason would you have for not voting for Syriza?
Your previous answer was absolutely ludicrous, "they want to govern", wow, no shit, get back to reality, so do a hundred other parties, and 99% of them are much worse than Syriza, you wouldn't want autonomy and real active democracy imo, it'd be too hard for a soft liberal fairy like yourself.

Mike wrote:

By not voting for labour for a start.

Space Bandit wrote: By fuck you're dumb.

psketti wrote: Typical inane, pointless, cynical negativity leading to nowhere.

psketti wrote:
Perhaps by having just a two party state with the choices restricted to Maoists and Leninists, maybe some culling of millions of voters now and then chucked in

Mike wrote:
Lol 0wned