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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 15:14 #21

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20338088
Fuck you Hague. You should be facing charges for terrorism as I type. If it weren't for the fact that your position means that the plod consider you above the law, you would be.
Fuck you BBC. Yet again you spit the propaganda and do not allow the public to have our say. You lot are a fucking disgrace.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 15:17 #22

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Tensions have also heated up along Israel's northern border as the civil war in Syria has begun to spill over into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. Earlier this week, Israel twice fired in response to stray mortar shells that landed in the Golan.

Israelis were ordered to remain close to shelters or fortified rooms in their homes as air raid sirens wailed throughout the day. Police said two men and a woman died after a rocket struck their four-story apartment building in Kiryat Malachi. A 4-year-old boy and two babies were also wounded.

Israeli media reported that the victims had ignored orders to protect themselves.

"We lost people today who could have been with us if they had just followed instructions," said Avi Dichter, the Cabinet minister in charge of Israeli civil defence.

Hamas announced a state of emergency in Gaza, evacuating all its security buildings and deploying its troops away from their locations.

Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets on several locations in Gaza early Thursday, warning Gazans to stay away from Hamas, other militants and their facilities.

The Israeli military said Hamas fighters and other militant factions, undeterred by the air attacks, bombarded southern Israel with more than 180 rockets. The Iron Dome, meant to detect rockets headed toward populated areas, intercepted about 30 of them, the military said.

Israel declared a state of emergency in the country's south, where more than 1 million Israelis live within rocket range, instructing people to remain close to fortified areas. School was cancelled in communities within a 40-kilometre (25-mile) radius of Gaza.
www.ctvnews.ca/world/israel-gaza-conflic...et-attacks-1.1039092
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 15:20 #23

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dubmeup wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20338088
Fuck you Hague. You should be facing charges for terrorism as I type. If it weren't for the fact that your position means that the plod consider you above the law, you would be.
Fuck you BBC. Yet again you spit the propaganda and do not allow the public to have our say. You lot are a fucking disgrace.
"Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza should cease attacks against Israel immediately. I call on those in the region with influence over Hamas to use that influence to bring about an end to the attacks.

"I also strongly urge Israel to do their utmost to reduce tension, avoid civilian casualties and increase the prospects for both sides to live in peace.

"It is imperative to avoid the risk of a spiral of violence. The escalation of the conflict would be in no one's interest, particularly at a time of instability in the region.
What exactly do you disagree with, only reasonable thing I ever heard Hague say i think.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 15:25 #24

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Let me turn the question back on you Gue. Do you agree with this?
"Palestinian Islamist group Hamas "bears principal responsibility" for escalating tension in Gaza and southern Israel, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has said."
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 16:23 #25

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Yes I do actually.

They were practically at war with Fatah until earlier this year within Palestine, imo Hamas are a constant obstacle to any peaceful resolution.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas%E2%80%93Fatah_Doha_agreement
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 16:29 #26

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interesting bit of history:
Between Fatah and the Rejectionists

In 1974, the same year as the PDFLP changed its name into the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), it acted as a strong supporter of the 1974 Ten Point Program. This document, which was accepted by the Palestinian National Council (PNC) after lobbying by Fatah and DFLP, cautiously introduced the concept of a two-state solution in the PLO, and caused a split in the organization leading to the formation of the Rejectionist Front, where radical organizations such as the PFLP, PFLP-GC, Palestine Liberation Front and others gathered with the backing of Syria, Libya and Iraq to oppose Arafat and the mainstream PLO stance.

In 1974 the organization perpetrated a major terror attack in Israel, when attacking a local elementary school in the village of Ma'alot. Taking the school-kids for hostage, 22 children aged 14–16 years-old were killed when an army commando engaged them.

In 1978 the DFLP temporarily switched sides and joined the Rejectionist Front after clashing with Arafat on several issues, but it would continue to serve as a mediator in the factional disputes of the PLO. In the tense situation leading up to the 1983 Fatah rebellion, during the Lebanese Civil War, the DFLP offered mediation to prevent the Syrian-backed formation of a rival Fatah leadership under Said al-Muragha (Abu Musa), the Fatah al-Intifada faction. Its efforts ultimately failed, and the PLO became embroiled what was in effect a Palestinian civil war.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Front_f...eration_of_Palestine
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 16:36 #27

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dubmeup wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20338088
Fuck you Hague. You should be facing charges for terrorism as I type. If it weren't for the fact that your position means that the plod consider you above the law, you would be.
Fuck you BBC. Yet again you spit the propaganda and do not allow the public to have our say. You lot are a fucking disgrace.

You can add a big Fuck You to Blair while we're at it...
Former Prime Minister Tony Blair, who represents the UN, US, EU and Russia in the Middle East, told the BBC: "We are doing all we can to de-escalate the situation.

"We have got to stop the rocket attacks coming out of Gaza which means the Israeli retaliation ceases then put the situation back on a more stable footing. But if the violence continues then Israel will retaliate and this escalation could get a lot worse.

"It's essential we do it now or it will have an impact right across the region."
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 16:47 #28

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I'm not going to pretend to know much about this situation but I have the basics and what I see are Palestinians being kettled into an area that get's smaller all the time in what has to be the most iconic and disturbing division of land since the Berlin Wall.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 17:26 #29

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Fair point P, but if you want to talk about Gaza talk about Hamas.

They are religious fundamentalists P, life in Gaza would be like life in the Icke forum, constant repetition of "It's da Jooz!", "Death to Zionism", the newspapers would be filled with Edith Roosevelt and Archibald Ramsey, instead of every house having a bible every house would have a copy of the learned elders of zion, that's how Hamas role, they want the Orgiastic religious destruction of Israel and the Jews.

Not everyone in Palestine is like that, the PLO is itself a loosely affiliated democratic group of about 9 different political parties, where many different political dialogues are welcome but the overall objective is a democratically elected government and peaceful solution to the conflict, Hamas is not like that, Hamas is a Reactionary religious movement seeking to implement an Islamic State over all of Israel.

The irreligious, critical and progressive folk like us would be banned from Israel under Hamas.
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Guevarista wrote:
Yes I do actually.

They were practically at war with Fatah until earlier this year within Palestine, imo Hamas are a constant obstacle to any peaceful resolution.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas%E2%80%93Fatah_Doha_agreement

That's fine, you are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 18:03 #31

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Sorta related to everything going on me thinks. (Published on Sep 28, 2012 by aodscarecrow)
Remember the 'Samson Option' talked about near the end of this clip and why I think the big gun countries are shit scared of getting involved.

"Max Igan and Ken O'Keefe's breakdown on Israeli lobbyist Patrick Clawson's suggestion of using a false flag event as a means of initiating conflict with Iran. Gaza rooftop style."
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 18:23 #32

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Guevarista wrote:

What exactly do you disagree with, only reasonable thing I ever heard Hague say i think.

Ok, I'll give this a go....
"Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza should cease attacks against Israel immediately. I call on those in the region with influence over Hamas to use that influence to bring about an end to the attacks.


Would I be right in saying that it was Israel that started the latest attacks, therefore for Hague to word this in such a way is unjustified and what's worse, appears to be deliberatly said in such a way as to incite more hatred?

"I also strongly urge Israel to do their utmost to reduce tension, avoid civilian casualties and increase the prospects for both sides to live in peace.


Ah yes, one side which prospers and the other which is having a wall built around it daily in what can only be deemed a barbaric manner... is that the 'living in peace' to which he refers in your opinion?

"It is imperative to avoid the risk of a spiral of violence. The escalation of the conflict would be in no one's interest, particularly at a time of instability in the region.


So in other words... Israel had every justification to do what it did as it was far more imperative that they killed this apparent Hamas leader, than take into ANY consideration that the car was on a pedestrian street in the middle of the day which resulted in more deaths and ultimiately led to the situation we have now... is that it?

Far as I'm concerned, the 'poor Israel' line ran out of steam a longtime ago and what's happening out there to the Palestinians will never be justifiable.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 18:30 #33

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Guevarista wrote:
Fair point P, but if you want to talk about Gaza talk about Hamas.

Hamas is a group within a whole population so when speaking about Gaza, it's in reference to the Palestinian people as a whole and not the minority which (and it's the same the world over) are the problem.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 19:22 #34

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If I was walled into London by the Romans who one day decided to come back and claim londinium I would bomb and attack the fuckpigs to.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 19:49 #35

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psketti wrote:
hugorune wrote:
Predictable

US defends Israeli attacks on Gaza at emergency UN meeting
UNITED NATIONS: Arab nations demanded the UN Security Council condemn Israel’s deadly attacks on Gaza at an emergency meeting late Wednesday, but the United States strongly defended Israel’s military strikes.
Egypt and other Arab states called for the emergency meeting after Israel staged more than 20 air strikes on the besieged Palestinian territory, killing Hamas military commander Ahmed Jaabari.
dawn.com/2012/11/15/us-defends-israeli-a...mergency-un-meeting/


That's a really cool song. It seemed fitting to listen to it whilst reading this thread.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 19:52 #36

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The whole thing is a massive cluster-fuck.

Hamas was elected by a population that was sick of Fatah corruption - politicians with flash cars and houses and all the trappings whilst the population has fuck all - and no longer saw Arafat as a strong leader. IMO the election of Hamas gave Israel the chance to paint the whole Palestinian population as anti Israel (I remember the fuss here and in the US when they were elected) and up the military ante.
Israel got what it wanted and has acted like a playground bully ever since.

Both sides are a fucking joke which is why I gave up arguing about it bloody years ago.

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Drude wrote:

Sorta related to everything going on me thinks.

It's most definiately related in my opinion and made my jaw hit the deck a few times whilst watching. Cheers drude.
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Drude wrote:

Sorta related to everything going on me thinks.

It's most definiately related in my opinion and made my jaw hit the deck a few times whilst watching. Cheers drude.

There could be a couple of lines that Max and Ken said being taken out of context but on the whole their message smacks you right between the ears. I keep that clip on my mobile phone just encase I get involved in a debate about this subject. Some listen :thumbup:
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hugorune wrote:
Both sides are a fucking joke

Agreed and imho they are effectively working together to screw the whole area, whether they know it or not.
As usual what we see is everyday people taking the shit for a few lunatics with an agenda.
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