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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 21:13 #41

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dubmeup wrote:
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Both sides are a fucking joke

Agreed and imho they are effectively working together to screw the whole area, whether they know it or not.
As usual what we see is everyday people taking the shit for a few lunatics with an agenda.

Bang on.
Nothing but a bunch of fat ugly bastards that can't get any showing scant regard for their populations. Willy waving and holy books, what a great mix. :roll:
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 21:26 #42

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Do they sound like they're talking about a load of Gypsies or is that just my opinion?
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This is an interesting comment left on an RT news item

"These comments are ridiculous.I have no bias.But to say Israel "stole" the land is ridiculous. Throughout human history, people are conquered and their territory seized. Israel was given the land that Arabs didn't want: swamp, arid, etc after WW2. And Israelis busted their butts for 10+ years making it a nice place to live, and they are still doing it today. Investing time, money, blood, sweat. Now that the Arabs see these "nice things" they want it back. But Israeli's like "heck no." We put all this work into it, it's ours. I agree that Israelis really do need to open up and allow the Gaza refugees back. But at what cost? Terrorists coming into your country? It's very complicated (there's that word again) and since the Muslim idealogy is closely related to, "Allah will conquer all enemies" You're left with a very messy situation. Religion needs to end. Then we can grow as a people."

The part in question for me is WHO gave them that land?
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Drude wrote:
This is an interesting comment left on an RT news item

"These comments are ridiculous.I have no bias.But to say Israel "stole" the land is ridiculous. Throughout human history, people are conquered and their territory seized. Israel was given the land that Arabs didn't want: swamp, arid, etc after WW2. And Israelis busted their butts for 10+ years making it a nice place to live, and they are still doing it today. Investing time, money, blood, sweat. Now that the Arabs see these "nice things" they want it back. But Israeli's like "heck no." We put all this work into it, it's ours. I agree that Israelis really do need to open up and allow the Gaza refugees back. But at what cost? Terrorists coming into your country? It's very complicated, and since the Muslim idealogy is closely related to, "Allah will conquer all enemies" You're left with a very messy situation. Religion needs to end. Then we can grow as a people."

The part in question for me is WHO gave them that land?

Their holy books. Bloody convenient or what. :roll:
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 21:47 #45

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Thanks but I want to know who were the people after WW2 that said "Here ya go, have this bit of land"
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Tis my understanding drude that having laid the way with terrorism against Palestinians and the Brits, in the lead up to 1948 the Zionists used all kinds of dirty tricks to pressure the countries of the UN general assembly to vote for the creation of the Jewish State.
They got their way despite widespread opposition.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 15 Nov 2012 22:13 #47

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Tis my understanding drude that having laid the way with terrorism against Palestinians and the Brits, in the lead up to 1948 the Zionists used all kinds of dirty tricks to pressure the countries of the UN general assembly to vote for the creation of the Jewish State.
They got their way despite widespread opposition.

Thanks for that.
I'm trying to remember the guy who was on Edge Media a while back saying something about the people who are claiming the state of Israel are not even Jewish or Israelite, maybe some other tribes. It's a bit like people who claim to be true British but are descended from Anglo Saxons and the original people before them were the Welsh, Scots and Irish but were pushed north, east and off the land...
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 16 Nov 2012 00:43 #48

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Looks wasted to me :killinme:
Hope he had a good tune on the Radio before he hit some interference :coffee:
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Psketti: I think this is specifically about Gaza and Hamas from Israel's perspective, I think that was just a Hague soundbite really, I don't know why the outrage, it's common sense, in line with international moderate opinion, he's not really said anything remarkable there, do you expect him to call Israel an Apartheid state on Russia Today or something? ;)

Hamas being moderate as ever :loco:
Hamas says 'gates of hell opened' as Israel kills military leader in Gaza

Ahmed al-Jabari's assassination in missile strike marks 'start of broader operation' that may involve ground troops, says Israel
Hamas military chief killed in Israeli strike on Gaza. Source: Reuters Link to this video

Israel has launched a military operation to eliminate militants and weapon sites in the Gaza Strip, killing the commander of Hamas's military wing
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/isr...hamas-military-chief

Hamas has governed the Gaza Strip for a long time, it's not the West Bank that's being targeted by Israeli Military strikes, however Hamas are launching Missiles into Israel indiscriminately.

Oct 2012:
Municipal elections, the first in at least six years, were seen as a potential way to boost the PA's credibility and create momentum for national elections – badly needed to restore the Palestinian legislature after a split five years ago with Hamas, the Islamist movement that has governed the coastal Gaza Strip ever since.

“I think that a lot of people across the political spectrum are hoping and working to use these elections as a starting point toward national elections and to pressure Hamas … to conform with the will of the majority of the people to have the national elections as soon as possible,” says Qais Abdul-Karim, a veteran politician and member of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012...t-Fatah-fares-poorly
The PLO strongly condemned Wednesday the violent crackdown by Hamas forces on a women march in Gaza.

Women activists participated in a march in central Gaza on Tuesday to protest the division and to call for return to national unity.

A statement issued by the PLO’s Cultural and Information Department said “beating of women, including female journalists and other women participating in this peaceful march who were calling for national unity is a blatant violation of human rights and shows a lack of seriousness on Hamas’ part to bring an end to the current division.”

It said the division “brought major damage” to the struggle of the Palestinian people and to their just cause.
www.wafa.ps/english/index.php?action=detail&id=21007
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dubmeup wrote:
Tis my understanding drude that having laid the way with terrorism against Palestinians and the Brits, in the lead up to 1948 the Zionists used all kinds of dirty tricks to pressure the countries of the UN general assembly to vote for the creation of the Jewish State.
They got their way despite widespread opposition.
:think: What the bloody hell were the Brits doing over there Dub?
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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If I was walled into London by the Romans who one day decided to come back and claim londinium I would bomb and attack the fuckpigs to.

I like this.
I may not be be so cleaver in phrasing my sentences and have a brilliant memory in bringing up facts but I know a bully when I see one,
Hows it going there, Benjamin.
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Guevarista wrote:
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Tis my understanding drude that having laid the way with terrorism against Palestinians and the Brits, in the lead up to 1948 the Zionists used all kinds of dirty tricks to pressure the countries of the UN general assembly to vote for the creation of the Jewish State.
They got their way despite widespread opposition.
:think: What the bloody hell were the Brits doing over there Dub?
The Brits were 'looking after' the region after WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire weren't they?

Here's a list of some of the Zionist's activities back then:

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.



The Israeli gov has stated that they blame Hamas for the new upsurge in violence, yet the rockets aint all got Hamas written on them have they. The Palestinian 'militants' aren't all Hamas. For Hague and the Israeli gov to lay all the blame with Hamas is at best blind to the big picture of what's going on there. It's passing the buck and denying any involvement, ooooo blame it on the nasty Hamas.
For Hague to state that Hamas are responsible for the escalation pisses all over what he then goes on to say about both sides seeking peace. He has effectively already taken a side by blaming Hamas. No mention of illegal settlements, the wall, attacks by settlers, the embargo or anything like that in Hague's speech. This is why he can fuck himself (on this subject, there are many other subjects he can fuck himself on too). He is pretending to be neutral and seeking peace whilst sweeping all that Israel does under the carpet and blaming Hamas for everything. That aint the way toward peace Hague you twat.
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Looks wasted to me :killinme:
Hope he had a good tune on the Radio before he hit some interference :coffee:

My electric went off and I was typing with a candle on ;) he he
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IDF sends text message to Gaza mobile phones: 'The next phase is on the way'

The Israeli army is sending text messages to mobile phones in Gaza with a warning in Arabic: “The next phase is on the way. Stay away from Hamas elements.”


Using Instagram, Twitter user @RanaGaza tweeted a photo of the message on her father’s mobile phone.

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Arabic text message sent by the Israeli army to mobile phones in Gaza

During the 2008-9 Israeli military assault on Gaza, the army sent thousands of similar messages to mobile phones in Gaza. But according to several friends and acquaintances who were there, the messages were often either false alarms or designed to sow panic. “What do you do if you receive a message warning you to go a safer place if you are already in the safest place in Gaza, or if you have nowhere to hide?” one friend asked rhetorically.

This same woman — a journalist — said that often the text messages would warn of impending bombardments that did not happen, in a sick version of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
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