The joke is, that is because they know that the rebels have them
The question of course is where the sarin came from and who is using it. The most likely is Syrian stockpiles; it's entirely possible to me that rebels have been able to capture or raid these without western intelligence knowing this. We know the rebels have sarin
Syrian rebels have used the deadly nerve agent sarin in their fight against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, according to evidence from victims and doctors, UN human rights investigator Carla del Ponte said.
“According to the testimonies we have gathered, the rebels have used chemical weapons, making use of sarin gas,” del Ponte, a former Swiss war crimes prosecutor and a member of a UN commission of inquiry on Syria, said in an interview with Swiss Italian broadcaster RSI on Sunday.
She said there was “still not irrefutable proof, (but) very strong suspicions, concrete suspicions that sarin gas has been used. Assistance to victims shows this.”
Her comments come amid growing Western suspicions that Assad’s regime has used chemical weapons in the 26-month conflict and follow Israeli raids on military sites near Damascus over the weekend.
She said that as far as the UN commission had been able to determine, “sarin gas has been used ... by opponents,.”
“This is not surprising since the opponents have been infiltrated by foreign fighters,” she said.
Overnight, it wasn't Egypt but Syria that woke up to the latest massacre, this time in a chemical weapons-induced slaughter when more than 200 people were killed shortly after 3 am local time, in what would be by far the worst reported use of chemical arms in the two-year-old civil war. Naturally, Syrian activists promptly accused the President al-Assad of conducting the attack that killed numerous women and children even though it was their chemicial weapons warehouse in the Damascus area that was uncovered just over a month ago.
Not surprisingly the state TV and Syrian emissaries abroad promptly denied any responsibility for the attack. And, as on previous occasions, the traditional narrative of penning this wholesale murder of civilians on the ruling administration leaves much to be desired. So much so that even experts are now wondering if it wasn't merely the latest provocation attempt by the US (and Al-Qaeda) -supported rebels to push public opinion further against Assad and permit the greenlighting of an eventual military escalation.
The timing and location of the reported chemical weapons use - just three days after the team of U.N. chemical experts checked in to a Damascus hotel a few km (miles) to the east at the start of their mission - was surprising.
"It would be very peculiar if it was the government to do this at the exact moment the international inspectors come into the country," said Rolf Ekeus, a retired Swedish diplomat who headed a team of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq in the 1990s.
"At the least, it wouldn't be very clever."
Ekeus said the mandate of the U.N. team was limited to three sites but could be amended to investigate fresh claims - which would be simpler to verify than the other months-old cases.
"It is easier to do sampling and testing, and also to look at the victims, if there are sick people or even dead people (on the scene). It is easier to get to doctors and get to the place where the event happened."
Charles Lister, an analyst at IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre, also said it made little sense for the Syrian government to use chemical agents now.
"Nonetheless, the Ghouta region (where the attacks were reported) is well known for its opposition leanings. Jabhat al-Nusra has had a long-time presence there and the region has borne the brunt of sustained military pressure for months now," he said, referring to a hardline Sunni Islamist rebel group allied to al Qaeda.
"While it is clearly impossible to confirm the chemical weapons claim, it is clear from videos uploaded by reliable accounts that a large number of people have died."
So let's see: an irrational act by a man who knows every act of his is under the interantional media microscope, and not just any act but the worst chemical weapons attack to date which would promptly force a "democratic" intervention into his country, or merely a false flag attack in which the so-called rebels, aka Qatari mercenaries, are killing their own to pin the blame, and the international retaliation, on Assad?
Deaths are certainly tragic, but what would be just as tragic is if a western government is backstopping this wholesale murder of innocent civilians merely to promote its own petrodollar agenda.
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 11:27 #83
Reuters/Ipsos Syria Poll: About 60 Percent Of Americans Are Against Intervention
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken Aug. 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since Aug. 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Former UK military chiefs voice objections to Syria attacks
Backing strikes were the former prime minister Tony Blair, who warned of "the consequences of wringing our hands instead of putting them to work", and foreign policy analysts from Chatham House in London and the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, who said Assad had crossed a red line by using chemical weapons.
"It's wrong," said Dannatt of the strike plan being drawn up in Washington, Paris and London. "Because although undoubtedly by any moral standards at all using chemical weapons against your own people – which is what on the balance of probabilities it now seems Assad has done – [is wrong] this does not constitute an open invitation for the international community to impose themselves on the internal affairs of another country."
He told the BBC that the international community was "fractured" on the issue and one of the many unknowns about Syria was "what the effect of these strikes would be on the developments and consequences of the civil conflict".
He actually spoke much more strongly against this action on television this morning, stating that an intervention would be a total disaster, would be extremely bad for the Syrian people, and could easily provoke a civil war. Which is, of course, exactly what is intended.
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 11:36 #85
So I can not beleive a forum lets such a wascist post, and I would love to see this wascist evidence you keep babbling onabout
Well, mate, if someone (a) is warned by the moderators for making racist remarks (which oi will confirm, I have no doubt), (b) continually espouses (that means offers vociferous support, just in case you don’t know what it means) the EDL, and (c) boasts about knowing the inner workings of Combat 18:
...you might not unreasonably come to the conclusion that person is racist!
I’ll explain to you how and why people would draw that conclusion or draw you a diagram if required. I understand racism, like slaughtering people, is just a big joke to you, but some people consider it to be somewhat reprehensible.
First of all your not my mate..remember that
So if i was warned for making a racist post where is it ? Seems you keep everything else I put on here
See in the real world wubwub there is something called Human Interaction. Now within that interaction there is something called HUMINT, which apparently if the persone is handled right brings a wealth of information
But as your life revolves around the internet and wierd and wounderful fantasies its hard to grasp.
Your exactly the same as politicians and use the same phrases " the great unwashed will never understand " THE sheeple are not clever enough to understand
Its not that they dont understand wubwub its they dont give a fuck and crack on with life. Must be hard having the wieght of the world on them shoulders.
Suppose when Syria kicks off you will be in wank fest overdrive ..ooooooooooo its the banks..........ooooooo its the USA/UK/FRENCH JEWISH military CABAL
SHHHH lets not mention the reds eh !! Fucking SWP can smell them a mile off
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 11:39 #86
Former UK military chiefs voice objections to Syria attacks
Backing strikes were the former prime minister Tony Blair, who warned of "the consequences of wringing our hands instead of putting them to work", and foreign policy analysts from Chatham House in London and the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, who said Assad had crossed a red line by using chemical weapons.
"It's wrong," said Dannatt of the strike plan being drawn up in Washington, Paris and London. "Because although undoubtedly by any moral standards at all using chemical weapons against your own people – which is what on the balance of probabilities it now seems Assad has done – [is wrong] this does not constitute an open invitation for the international community to impose themselves on the internal affairs of another country."
He told the BBC that the international community was "fractured" on the issue and one of the many unknowns about Syria was "what the effect of these strikes would be on the developments and consequences of the civil conflict".
He actually spoke much more strongly against this action on television this morning, stating that an intervention would be a total disaster, would be extremely bad for the Syrian people, and could easily provoke a civil war. Which is, of course, exactly what is intended.
Could provoke a civil war
Hello anybody in ? So just explain to the readers and little old wascist thicko me whats happening now ?
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 11:42 #87
Well its going to be a shit storm either way. 6k HZ in the Country plus Thousands of Iranian Rev Guards, why do you think Assad has turned it around the last 3 months when the rebels are getting weapons, comms and training ?
But of course the only foreign fighters in syria are the fundies
Im more interested in the HZ reaction on a global scale, lets see whats in the arsenal
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 12:09 #90
Hello anybody in ? So just explain to the readers and little old wascist thicko me whats happening now ?
Are you saying that Richard Dannatt is wrong? Perhaps he's not entitled to an opinion! After all, he's only been employed in the most senior position in the British Army, whereas you're obviously more qualified to comment!
As for racism, if you make racist posts, strongly support the EDL, and boast about having intimate knowledge of C18, then you are a racist. You may not understand that you're a racist, but it doesn't change the fact that you are. Any reasonable person will draw that conclusion. The only people who won't are other NaNs who also reserve the right to make racist remarks, but then kick and scream like babies when you call them what they are. That's what you are, whether you like it or not.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Today is the first day off I've had in a while. I've spent the morning doing those chores that get left when you're in the working week and have to get under the car in a bit to get it ready for an MOT. All very close to home mundanity.
I thought I'd stop fer a bit, have a smoke and a brew and chill with some tunes. A quick scan through me library and I opted to revisit the 1980's and take in an album by a band I went to see with my first GF at the already addled age of 14.
Half way through the first verse of this track, I started to cry. That lasted right through the song and I've just now wiped my eyes.
Nothing has changed save the continuation of a long ill thought out plan. We stand literally at the brink, being pushed from behind by the weight of ignorance, apathy, greed and complacency. I am ashamed to call myself human today. Millions have already had their lives brutally ended. Millions more will very soon. Homes are destroyed, whole communities displaced. "Soldiers" are maimed, families gutted from within. The people are whipped into a frenzy of xenophobic, ignorant "patriotism", orders given and once more the bloodfest makes it's offering to the lords of RaytheBlackWaterCorp.
Every single pillar of our communities is culpable. Every single leader of "Nations" is culpable. Every board of every corporation, every dividend beneficiary, every voter, every Daily Mirror "reader", every workmate who parrots the doctrine of the controllers whilst claiming to be free and under threat from Goldstein. Our list of "enemies" is long. Our weapon is the truth and our drive is from the heart.
Fuck you ent you total waste of a chance to experience a "human" life.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
Totally agree with everything you've said here, but don't the Daily Mirror usually oppose these things? I can't bring myself to read it.
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 15:06 #94
I posted this in the wrong thread...realised my mistake and deleted it. Went back to re-do here and in those few minutes they have edited it and removed the name of the UN inspector...Carla something....anyway, here is the 'revised' version
Evidence rebels used sarin
French charity Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders) reported that 355 people died in the attack.
The Syrian government also maintains that it is the rebels that are using chemical weapons and not the government. Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister, Faisal Maqdad, slammed the US, UK and France for helping rebel groups use chemical weapons.
"We repeat that the terrorist groups are the ones that used [chemical weapons] with the help of the United States, the United Kingdom and France, and this has to stop," he said. "This means these chemical weapons will soon be used by the same groups against the people of Europe," stressed Maqdad.
There is a whole paragraph missing after the Medicines sans Frontieres intro, which quoted the UN inspector saying that witness reports confirm that chemical attack was done by the rebels, they even quoted and named the inspector. Ho hum. rt.com/news/uk-resolution-syria-security-council-099/
Jane
"love it better"
the more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war
There is a whole paragraph missing after the Medicines sans Frontieres intro, which quoted the UN inspector saying that witness reports confirm that chemical attack was done by the rebels, they even quoted and named the inspector. Ho hum. rt.com/news/uk-resolution-syria-security-council-099/
Jane
The WSJ article I quoted on the last page has gone missing a few times today, I don't know if it's been edited as I didn't save a copy.
"The Wall Street Journal reports:
“The [weapons inspection] team must be able to conduct a full, thorough and unimpeded investigation,” said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Sunday night. However, the team is only mandated to determine if chemical weapons were used, not who used them, Mr. Ban’s spokesman said."
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“US Plan for Chemical Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad” - Jan 29, 2013 Dailymail
28 Aug 2013 16:22 #97
I posted this in the wrong thread...realised my mistake and deleted it. Went back to re-do here and in those few minutes they have edited it and removed the name of the UN inspector...Carla something....anyway, here is the 'revised' version
Evidence rebels used sarin
French charity Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders) reported that 355 people died in the attack.
The Syrian government also maintains that it is the rebels that are using chemical weapons and not the government. Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister, Faisal Maqdad, slammed the US, UK and France for helping rebel groups use chemical weapons.
"We repeat that the terrorist groups are the ones that used [chemical weapons] with the help of the United States, the United Kingdom and France, and this has to stop," he said. "This means these chemical weapons will soon be used by the same groups against the people of Europe," stressed Maqdad.
There is a whole paragraph missing after the Medicines sans Frontieres intro, which quoted the UN inspector saying that witness reports confirm that chemical attack was done by the rebels, they even quoted and named the inspector. Ho hum. rt.com/news/uk-resolution-syria-security-council-099/
Jane
I think she was called Carla Del Ponte and I only remember that because at the end of your post you said you hoped she stayed safe.. well that and the man from delmonte
the anorak hides the fact that sean is composed of 95% vaginas
Totally agree with everything you've said here, but don't the Daily Mirror usually oppose these things? I can't bring myself to read it.
Reference to the Mirror was prompted by my reading the Syria "article" in it yesterday whilst waiting for the better half to get shopping.
Could not have been more anti Assad propaganda if it tried.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
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