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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 18:41 #41

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Thor, I have warm feelings towards you, for your kindness and intelligence.

But here's the flaw in your strategy, the way I see it - i.e. when the trouble-makers are around, you just don't post, till they've got themselves banned.

We could all stop posting while a troll has some fun, and prior to them pushing hard enough to get banned, what happens to the forum? We've been discouraged from using the place because of the bullies. So they've got their way anyway, albeit temporarily. Until the next sock pops in.

I am not suggesting stopping posting altogether but having 'post blindness' when it comes to those deliberately on a wind up - if no one responds what can they do? either stop posting or start being so outrageous that they end up breaking a rule or can be temp banned for spamming.

It is not easy not to rise to the idiotic things some people say - someone who manages to respond to provocation in a way that makes me both grin and stand in awe is abs - not all of us can pull it off though - I know I can't as my sense of humour is somewhat bypassed half the time - but it is an option to try instead of constant attacks and name calling etc.

And again to reiterate I don't expect people to change just cos I don't like something but I did want to get this off me chest.

Yeah don't bother posting. Just let Mike diss everything , don't bother to show him up as being a twat and don't ban him.

Ffs Thor , make a new forum for him and let him rant on it about Marxism on one hand and how he loves the libdems on the other
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 18:44 #42

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I don't recall anyone leaving cos they disliked the mods

Well you certainly have the freedom to that opinion and there is no way we can debate it because alot of them are gone now.

Who is 'them' ?

People like K-Bone who said this place was Anti-American and called it quits...

As for them, look at the wide variety of posters in threads from last summer before the split in comparison to now.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 18:46 #43

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I don't recall anyone leaving cos they disliked the mods

Well you certainly have the freedom to that opinion and there is no way we can debate it because alot of them are gone now.

Who is 'them' ?

People like K-Bone who said this place was Anti-American and called it quits...

As for them, look at the wide variety of posters in threads from last summer before the split in comparison to now.

Look in the mirror.......it's throbbing hard-on's like YOU who are driving folk away. Have a nice y'all, not.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 18:46 #44

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I don't recall anyone leaving cos they disliked the mods

Well you certainly have the freedom to that opinion and there is no way we can debate it because alot of them are gone now.

Who is 'them' ?

People like K-Bone who said this place was Anti-American and called it quits...

As for them, look at the wide variety of posters in threads from last summer before the split in comparison to now.

You'll have to list them all now or get accused of talking shite as per usual
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 18:56 #45

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I don't recall anyone leaving cos they disliked the mods

Well you certainly have the freedom to that opinion and there is no way we can debate it because alot of them are gone now.

Who is 'them' ?

People like K-Bone who said this place was Anti-American and called it quits...

As for them, look at the wide variety of posters in threads from last summer before the split in comparison to now.

Re: k-bone btw, he left after human spirit pointed out that the US abandoned slavery long after the UK had already made it illegal.
He spat out his dummy and left, no mention of crap mods so we are still left with this list of 'them' who left because they disliked the mods
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:12 #46

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Andy, i guess it's not fair to speculate why people left if they are not here anymore to tell us themselves.

Well at least that's why people left the DIF because they did not like the mods so i assumed it was the same reasons here.

For all we know they got tired of conspiracy theory's and just wanted to make money so they can go on vacations and have fun.

:dunno:
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:17 #47

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Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. No shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:19 #48

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Andy, i guess it's not fair to speculate why people left if they are not here anymore to tell us themselves.

Well at least that's why people left the DIF because they did not like the mods so i assumed it was the same reasons here.

For all we know they got tired of conspiracy theory's and just wanted to make money so they can go on vacations and have fun.

:dunno:

What??
So you slag off mods in a discordian thread like this one, then say you don't mind the mods yourself, then admit you can't list anyone besides mike who was fed up with mods then you actually say you ASSUMED that those who left did so because of the mods !!??

Have you any idea how this looks now?
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:20 #49

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i-baster wrote:
Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. No shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.

Another likely candidate along with RA
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:22 #50

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i-baster wrote:
Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. No shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.

Everyone who post on conspiracy forums like this or DIF are Troll's...

But when somebody actually accuses someone of being a Troll that basically just means that they don't like their POV...
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:24 #51

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I have zero doubt mike was a troll.
As I mentioned before he pm'd me the details of the maoist#1 on TZ suggesting that I post random snippits os Zedong's rabbit.
The Marx stuff is a cover story. A tool of the trade.


I assume the response to the above demands will be a resounding "AYE RIGHT, GIT!"
Someone deluded person has gone and gotten themselves confused with Baader Meinhof methinks.

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i-baster wrote:
Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. No shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.

Everyone who post on conspiracy forums like this or DIF are Troll's...

But when somebody actually accuses someone of being a Troll that basically just means that they don't like their POV...

He didn't have a pov that's the whole point, he kept changing it
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Everyone who post on conspiracy forums like this or DIF are Troll's...
But when somebody actually accuses someone of being a Troll that basically just means that they don't like their POV...
Whut?
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I have zero doubt mike was a troll.
As I mentioned before he pm'd me the details of the maoist#1 on TZ suggesting that I post random snippits os Zedong's rabbit.
The Marx stuff is a cover story. A tool of the trade.


I assume the response to the above demands will be a resounding "AYE RIGHT, GIT!"
Someone deluded person has gone and gotten themselves confused with Baader Meinhof methinks.

:roll:

An unemployed Marxist who has never been a union member who thinks mondragon is a waste of time despite adhering to much of the aims of Marxism and then going on to say the libdems are great ..
:facepalm:

Oh and ofc this is fine with RA and ibaster
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 19:28 #55

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andyh wrote:
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Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. No shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.

Another likely candidate along with RA
Make like a tree and leave :p

Candidate for what exactly?
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i-baster wrote:
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Personally speaking I don't see how Mike was a troll. I know I have not read every topic and probably missed a lot but I can't say I am pleased by the banning of an important member. I know mike proposed response is not a cool response but I understand his anger manifesting itself aggressively. It is a shame that by sticking up for him I am pissing off people that I honestly do not wish to piss off but I see no benefit in making your forum smaller and smaller. Nou shoots fired at the messenger either. It is an issue that could be resolved or this place could become a dead clique.

Another likely candidate along with RA
Make like a tree and leave :p

Candidate for what exactly?

Aiding and abetting Mike
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Aiding him in what exactly?
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Aiding him in what exactly?

Talking shite.
Care to explain perhaps how the libdems are Marxists ?
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btw.

You do realise that Mike is laughing his ass off at this minute having seeded another bitching match by remote control eh?

As far as him being a victim is concerned, he requested/demanded he be banned before and was repeatedly refused, (a mistake imho but not my call), So now he gets his wish, he's bitching about being banned.

C'mon folks let's not be wilfully gullible here please.
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andyh wrote:
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Aiding him in what exactly?

Talking shite.
Care to explain perhaps how the libdems are Marxists ?


I have never made that claim. We could discuss this with Mike but he is banned. I like people that post here and I also enjoy different views and perspectives from others. I would not like to see even the sz elite that dislike me banned. I don't need to be preaching to the converted. I like to discuss ideas and tell people where I think they are wrong and hear their opinions on my ideas. I don't agree with anybody here all the time on everything I am sure. Regardless of how you see this event I see it as a nail in the coffin. Same with Irre and apparently others are gone too, I don't know why exactly and would not single out anybody but as a community perhaps something should could be done.
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