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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:32 #1

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I am not particularly happy doing this but I have been asked to so may as well get it out there...
"""I have to challenge the way they treated my request for some fair and equal standards to be applied on the board, I know I'm not the most respectable individual at SZ but I don't go on threads i disagree with to derail them, i found this was continually happening to me, I was being trolled by the sanctum elite and my freedom of expression was being curtailed and suppressed, i cannot stand idly by while an in crowded mentality accentuates the class divisions existant in the sanctum zone forum structure.


now that I've read how mikey, feather, oioioi, andy, wub and others have been talking in the shadows about my alias mike I have little alternative but to declare unrelenting Jihad against the facilitators and anybody who supports them in the sanctumzone.


1 man against a forum, your moderators' patience will be worn away like rain drops hammer deep fissures through rock facades, you will not find solace, you will not find respite and you will not find shelter from the swarm of socked up soldiers descending on the sanctum, you have been determined to exercise your power, in order to conserve the in crowd and protect their collective delusions, we will see how prepared you are to use this power, for all you can throw at me will come back double in time!

In order to avert a demoralizing campaign of terror being waged against your community you will reinstate Mike's account post haste and forthwidth, once Mike is reinstated you will hold democratic elections for facilitators in which people will vote for their desired facilitators, those with the most votes, will become the new moderation team, failure to comply with these wishes will see the demoralizing campaign of subversion and infiltration grow in strength and animosity, the longer we fight the stronger we get, the longer you are under the siege the weaker your resolve!

Do not make the mistake of refusing to act.

This has been a communique from GuevaristA""

as for my opinion on the above ^^

personally I am not sure I agree with gue's tactics but I do have to confess to becoming steadily more disappointed with the manner in which people are communicating with each other.

Gue has openly stated he is going to 'sock' up to cause maximum disruption - from what I have witnessed we are already falling for this in the way in which new members are being spoken to, older members who have different world views are being talked to and the amount of posts that are pure attacks.

I am not one to flounce but I have felt like it on more then one occasion. If the way in which people are interacting is ok with the majority then fair play I am but a cog in the sanctum wheel - But if this is the case then I am afraid it is no longer the place for me.

Anyways I hope that people will see passed the bullshit in gues' above missive and instead ask whether or not this place is in tone and manner what we hoped it would be when we joined.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:35 #2

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As my friend said: we must be doing something right. ;)
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:37 #3

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This is all just a bit childish, isn't it? I mean...it's just a forum on the internet.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:41 #4

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Thor you are a great poster and bring a rare thing i..e. : wisdom. I would be very very sad to see you go.

But if you fall for this crap, well bye friend and you will be sorely missed

Guev is not a Marxist and has followed us here frm DIF with a NaN/neosocn agenda

He is now busted and needs to make it to the end of the month to make his salary
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:43 #5

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mikey mikey wrote:
Thor you are a great poster and bring a rare thing i..e. : wisdom. I would be very very sad to see you go.

Ditto me. :(
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:56 #6

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mikey mikey wrote:
Thor you are a great poster and bring a rare thing i..e. : wisdom. I would be very very sad to see you go.

But if you fall for this crap, well bye friend and you will be sorely missed

Guev is not a Marxist and has followed us here frm DIF with a NaN/neosocn agenda

He is now busted and needs to make it to the end of the month to make his salary


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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 16:57 #7

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@mikey - as I stated my feelings about here are nothing whatsoever to do with mike. I will readily admit that i can be oversensitive - however I do not like the way people are being treated here.

I am of the belief that if people give fuel to those out to cause disruption that the disruption gets worse and that the place loses something.

I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:17 #8

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I agree but I think the comparison with DIF is unfair.

A few of us take the time to answer the socks and trolls and deal with them the SZ way: straight on in public and not behind the scenes. Just because they deal with that like the proverbial "dirty laundry" does not mean they enjoy it, want it, or think it is a good way to treat people.

Sorry T you are a very wise poster but this time, no.
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Last Edit: 25 May 2013 17:19 by mikey mikey.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:38 #9

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thoreau wrote:
I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.

Very honest and interesting perspective considering the hypocriticalness of some of "cool crew" here still having socks on DIF
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:41 #10

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.......... wrote:
thoreau wrote:
I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.

Very honest and interesting perspective considering the hypocriticalness of some of "cool crew" here still having socks on DIF

What is a cool crew?

Who are the members here with sock accounts at DIF?

:)
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:47 #11

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1 man against a forum, your moderators' patience will be worn away like rain drops hammer deep fissures through rock facades, you will not find solace, you will not find respite and you will not find shelter from the swarm of socked up soldiers descending on the sanctum, you have been determined to exercise your power, in order to conserve the in crowd and protect their collective delusions, we will see how prepared you are to use this power, for all you can throw at me will come back double in time!

In order to avert a demoralizing campaign of terror being waged against your community you will reinstate Mike's account post haste and forthwidth, once Mike is reinstated you will hold democratic elections for facilitators in which people will vote for their desired facilitators, those with the most votes, will become the new moderation team, failure to comply with these wishes will see the demoralizing campaign of subversion and infiltration grow in strength and animosity, the longer we fight the stronger we get, the longer you are under the siege the weaker your resolve!

Do not make the mistake of refusing to act.

This has been a communique from GuevaristA


He's having a fucking laugh.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:48 #12

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to clarify i am not comparing this place to the dif - I am merely saying that behaviours that were employed at the dif are being employed here.

In response to the idea that people are dealing with others 'the sz way' I fail to understand how this can be so - considering the whole ethos of the place was that it was supposed to be a sanctum and based on respect.

i understand that people come here to be deliberately disruptive and that some hold views others vehemently disagree with - but imho rising to the bait doesnt leave anyone looking good and gives the appearance that this is not a sanctum at all it is merely a 'local forum for local people' - I prefer to ignore those here on a wind up till they have been given enough rope that they hang themselves and can be banned or temporarily suspended. But that is my preference and not being or wanting to be a dictator about it, it is not something I wish to impose on people - but I do feel that I deserve to voice my concerns - without any expectation of change - just because I like to say whats I thinks.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:49 #13

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thoreau wrote:
@mikey - as I stated my feelings about here are nothing whatsoever to do with mike. I will readily admit that i can be oversensitive - however I do not like the way people are being treated here.

I am of the belief that if people give fuel to those out to cause disruption that the disruption gets worse and that the place loses something.

I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.


Not true of everyone here, I for example left DIF never to return, not even with a sock and was banned in my absence, please get your facts sorted
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:50 #14

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hugorune wrote:
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thoreau wrote:
I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.

Very honest and interesting perspective considering the hypocriticalness of some of "cool crew" here still having socks on DIF

What is a cool crew?

Who are the members here with sock accounts at DIF?

:)

Hugo i think your a pretty cool guy but i hate to be the the bearer of bad news that your not actually in the "cool crew" :sorry:

As for the socks, it's inappropriate for me to give that info away but one of them just might be your favorite anarchist... ;)
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:54 #15

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andyh wrote:

Not true of everyone here, I for example left DIF never to return, not even with a sock and was banned in my absence, please get your facts sorted


Me neither, Andy. I don't think Thor was suggesting that everyone here does it either.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:54 #16

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Boo-hoo, Mike!
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So you start a thread on that infamous troll Droike's forum about 'Plankton Zone' and how it's your intention to copy & paste posts from here for the sole purpose of ridiculing.

Then in the next post, you're whining because some people here have since said derogatory things to supposedly poison the forum against you.

Let me see if I've got it straight then - you're upset that the PLANKTON here might go off you. :rofl:

You couldn't make this shit up!

And if that wasn't bizarre enough, you're trying to threaten your way back in!

Like you weren't a bloody condescending troll to start with!

With all the courtesy I can muster, I think you really need to grow up.
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thoreau wrote:
to clarify i am not comparing this place to the dif - I am merely saying that behaviours that were employed at the dif are being employed here.

I hope everyone here should have enough common sense to be able to understand that...
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:56 #18

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andyh wrote:
thoreau wrote:
@mikey - as I stated my feelings about here are nothing whatsoever to do with mike. I will readily admit that i can be oversensitive - however I do not like the way people are being treated here.

I am of the belief that if people give fuel to those out to cause disruption that the disruption gets worse and that the place loses something.

I do not agree that socking up and coming here is the way forward - but then it is the same behaviour as was employed against the dif when injustice was perceived.

Tbh I think quite a few people have very quickly returned to the same behaviours as they employed at dif - and I don't like

I have a lot of respect for everyone here - I have respect for some of the people who have ceased to post here and I feel that in some cases their absence is a loss.


Not true of everyone here, I for example left DIF never to return, not even with a sock and was banned in my absence, please get your facts sorted

Nowhere in that post did I say everyone - nor did I name those I believed had - though I do believe I am correct in saying that historically and currently there are members of this forum with sock accounts on the dif.

there is a lot lost in translation in type so apologies if I am not expressing myself very well.
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Don't shoot the messenger 25 May 2013 17:57 #19

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failure to comply with these wishes will see the demoralizing campaign of subversion and infiltration grow in strength and animosity, the longer we fight the stronger we get, the longer you are under the siege the weaker your resolve!

Can I just add...what's fucking new? :roll:
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.......... wrote:
Very honest and interesting perspective considering the hypocriticalness of some of "cool crew" here still having socks on DIF

And you're too brazen to admit that your constant tripe about the monarchy, Oioi, the 'cool crew' etc, and your posting extra-excited crud on TZ about the arrival of a probable sock here is a big part of why people don't feel like being civil with you. There's no fucking hope!
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