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Pay 10% of Your Savings to Save the Eurozone 17 Mar 2013 14:09 #61

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Mike wrote:
Isn't this clause only applicable to depositors in Cypriot banks, so surely it's "pay 10% of your savings to save Cyprus" (rly 9.9% on deposits over £100,000/6.75% below £100,000), and then EU will provide a £10billion bailout package for the country.
Mr Asmussen justified the measure by saying it broadened the number of people who will shoulder the burden of the bailout. Without the measures, he said, much of it would fall on Cypriot taxpayers; by going after all large deposit holders – many of whom are Russian or British – outsiders would help fund the rescue.
Why shouldn't they, they helped create the problem.

So now you have people with over £100,000 in their banks trying to withdraw as much as possible to qualify for the lowest rate, it's no wonder they want to keep the banks shut, all in all it strikes me as a more progressive bailout than other countries have obtained, with much of the burden falling with those who can afford it:
Further measures agreed with the Eurogroup members concern the increase of the withholding tax on capital income, a restructuring and recapitalisation of banks, an increase of the statutory corporate income tax rate and a bail-in of junior bondholders.

Excluded from the international capital markets, Cyprus applied for financial assistance in June 2012 after its two largest banks sought state support, following write downs of Greek bonds amounting to €4.5 billion, as a result of the Greek sovereign debt haircut.

The Cypriot financial assistance package is estimated at 17.5 billion, of which 10 billion will be provided by the ESM and the IMF. The one-off tax levy is estimated to yield €5.8 billion, while the remaining amount will emerge from a privatization programme, a capital gains tax increase and a 2.5% increase in the Cypriot corporate tax, currently at 10%.
famagusta-gazette.com/ecb-tell-cyprus-to...uesday-p18554-69.htm

Some people are so greedy, if you had £100,000 saving 10% would be £10,000 leaving you with £90,000 savings, you're not going to starve :)

Who do they expect to foot the bill of the bailout? The poor, like in Greece or other countries by instituting "austerity measures" or those who can afford it with a corporation tax increases and one off levy on all deposits?

I know which I would choose.

I'd gladly send cyprus 10% of my savings if they'll take a check for 33pence.

You got it wrong, its not just the people with over 100,000 who are trying to take their money out, its everyone innit.
And its not just 'savings' its every bank account including current accounts, so those with just 1000 quid in the account will lose 67.50.
% of income wise this is not a bigger burden on those who can afford it, you have it completely arse about face again Mike...those who can most afford it are the fucking bondholders who stand to lose sweet fuck all despite everything they have done.
Those with 10,000 in the bank perhaps small business owners stand to lose 675 quid. Perhaps the weeks wage for their shop employee or perhaps some money they have left in the bank on one side to pay fucking tax with...

You keep falling for the MSM divide and conquer crap again and again don't you?
I don't blame people for not understanding whats going on or the future consequences but once you have been given the info you should really start getting to grips with this.

There are people who work hard for a living Mike and they do not have mythical savings and pensions or any of that crap because they have responsibility with mouths to feed.
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I think the middle classes would prefer to have austerity measures instituted that hit the poorest members of society and keep their measly 10% savings intact.
There are people who work hard for a living Mike and they do not have mythical savings and pensions or any of that crap because they have responsibility with mouths to feed.
This is about people who do have savings, over £100,000 in Cypriot banks.
Most the people I know who work hard have no savings, they have mortgages and credit cards.
Last Edit: 17 Mar 2013 14:14 by Mike.
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Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?
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Mike wrote:
I think the middle classes would prefer to have austerity measures instituted that hit the poorest members of society and keep their measly 10% savings intact.
There are people who work hard for a living Mike and they do not have mythical savings and pensions or any of that crap because they have responsibility with mouths to feed.
This is about people who do have savings, over £100,000 in Cypriot banks.
Most the people I know who work hard have no savings, they have mortgages and credit cards.

No it's not.

It's about EVERYONE who has a fucking bank account with money in it!

What part of that aren't you getting?
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Pay 10% of Your Savings to Save the Eurozone 17 Mar 2013 14:31 #66

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Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?
www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/business/glob...t-of-banks.html?_r=0
Mr. Kirkegaard said he was surprised that Cyprus’s creditors had decided to go after smaller depositors, but that part of the rationale might have been avoiding putting too much pressure on businesses, which hold a large share of the high-value accounts.

There's an article here from Business Insider detailing what we all know could happen:

www.businessinsider.com/cyprus-bailout-r...ope-bank-runs-2013-3

I'm not sure that it will, but it has to be a possibility. It doesn't really matter either way because I expect sooner or later to see scenes like those in Argentina in Britain, and across Europe, because the only thing that could conceivably prevent it would be admitting that the whole economic system is ridiculous and starting from scratch again. Obviously this will not be allowed to happen.
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In June 2012 the Cypriot finance minister Vassos Shiarly stated that the European Central Bank, European commission and IMF officials are to carry out an in-depth investigation into Cyprus' economy and banking sector to assess the level of funding it requires. The Ministry of Finance rejected the possibility that Cyprus would be forced to undergo the sweeping austerity measures that have caused turbulence in Greece, but admitted that there would be "some negative repercussion".[34] In November, 2012 international lenders negotiating a bailout with the Cypriot government have agreed on a key capital ratio for banks and a system for the sector's supervision. Both commercial banks and cooperatives will be overseen by the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance. They also set a core Tier 1 ratio - a measure of financial strength - of 9% by the end of 2013 for banks, which could then rise to 10% in 2014
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BI article is posted in full at post #51
Last Edit: 17 Mar 2013 14:42 by feather.
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Thanks for that WUB - will read the 1st link when I've got some chores done. I'm just thinking of my husband with his newly set up business, and people like him. If they laid claim to any of his business funds, they'd be taking money that's earmarked to pay personal & corporation taxes & VAT, let alone wages & business premise rent. It's a scary prospect.
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psketti wrote:
Mike wrote:
I think the middle classes would prefer to have austerity measures instituted that hit the poorest members of society and keep their measly 10% savings intact.
There are people who work hard for a living Mike and they do not have mythical savings and pensions or any of that crap because they have responsibility with mouths to feed.
This is about people who do have savings, over £100,000 in Cypriot banks.
Most the people I know who work hard have no savings, they have mortgages and credit cards.

No it's not.

It's about EVERYONE who has a fucking bank account with money in it!

What part of that aren't you getting?
Calm down dear, Topic title "Pay 10% of your savings" only those with over £100,000 have to pay 10%.
6.75 of £400 is like £30, it's not going to put people out on the street like the Conservative austerity measures in UK.
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BI article is posted in full at post #51
Sorry, I missed that. There are loads more I could post, but I'm not sure if there's any point because we all understand the significance and implications of this.
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Genius Plan or End of the Euro?
Every so often, a moment comes along when you learn something important about how economies work. Thanks to the Euro area member states, we’re about to get one of these moments. Next week, we’re going to find out how people react when their bank deposits are at risk of being confiscated.
like scared little lemmings, what would be really subversive would be to undermine the entire economic paradigm by not giving two shites and having a community party.
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Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?

We have an account that is just use to put money in to pay for future bills.

Mike - a lot of working people might put money away for a rainy day, or be saving up for a mortgage deposit or something. They might sacrifice a credit card lifestyle for this. And people like to think their money is secure when they lend it to a bank,
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Gilly wrote:
Thanks for that WUB - will read the 1st link when I've got some chores done. I'm just thinking of my husband with his newly set up business, and people like him. If they laid claim to any of his business funds, they'd be taking money that's earmarked to pay personal & corporation taxes & VAT, let alone wages & business premise rent. It's a scary prospect.
I know it's difficult to balance things, but you should try to have the bare minimum amount of money in the bank. It's hard to know what do for the best sometimes, as obviously you don't want loads of cash lying around, and if you need the money quickly then other options aren't really open to you. It's hard to know what to do for the best. I honestly believe the pound will go to to shit eventually, anyway. I don't know if this will be a dramatic or slow process, but I don't see any other realistic prospect.
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As far as i am concerned it's small scam artists getting scammed by bigger scam artists.

Welcome to the pyramid scheme :gcat:
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
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dogsmilk wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?

We have an account that is just use to put money in to pay for future bills.

Mike - a lot of working people might put money away for a rainy day, or be saving up for a mortgage deposit or something. They might sacrifice a credit card lifestyle for this. And people like to think their money is secure when they lend it to a bank,
Yeah they might, but what are you saying? 6.75 levied on ALL deposits, below 100,000 and 9.9% on all savings above 100,000, is unfair as a contribution towards a £10Billion bailout? Should the EU have just bailed them out £16billion and taken Cyprus' infrastructure etc as collateral?
By choosing to avoid austerity measures in Cyprus in recent years they have come to require a bailout.
I think it would be better if this money were going directly to the people in the form of a tax rebate and not to banks or the banking system, but I think this is actually an innovation on the methods applied in other EU countries, specifically Greece and Spain.

It would be interesting to compare how the USA, UK, PIGS, and other Euro nations have dealt with the Crisis compared to Cyprus.
Last Edit: 17 Mar 2013 15:02 by Mike.
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Mike wrote:
It would be interesting to compare how the USA, UK, PIGS, and other Euro nations have dealt with the Crisis compared to Cyprus.
All of their economies and currencies are totally, completely and utterly fucked beyond any retribution, with the possible exception of the United States who have some room for manoeuvre, but won't do any of the things required to recover as their entire society is already completely controlled by the financial sector.
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Mike wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?

We have an account that is just use to put money in to pay for future bills.

Mike - a lot of working people might put money away for a rainy day, or be saving up for a mortgage deposit or something. They might sacrifice a credit card lifestyle for this. And people like to think their money is secure when they lend it to a bank,
Yeah they might, but what are you saying? 6.75 levied on ALL deposits, below 100,000 and 9.9% on all savings above 100,000, is unfair as a contribution towards a £10Billion bailout? Should the EU have just bailed them out £16billion and taken Cyprus' infrastructure etc as collateral?
By choosing to avoid austerity measures in Cyprus in recent years they have come to require a bailout.
I think it would be better if this money were going directly to the people in the form of a tax rebate and not to banks or the banking system, but I think this is actually an innovation on the methods applied in other EU countries, specifically Greece and Spain.

It would be interesting to compare how the USA, UK, PIGS, and other Euro nations have dealt with the Crisis compared to Cyprus.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil eh?

The bailout is not to protect US Mike, which bit of all this do you not understand?
Why do you think its FAIR to bailout billionaires with OUR hard earned cash? (well those of us who bother to work for it)

They're gonna come for pensions, they'll nationalise them.

If the UK went back to 5% interest rates tomorrow we'd see martial law on the streets of britain.
You have absolutely no fucking idea whats happening or why do you?
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Mike wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?

We have an account that is just use to put money in to pay for future bills.

Mike - a lot of working people might put money away for a rainy day, or be saving up for a mortgage deposit or something. They might sacrifice a credit card lifestyle for this. And people like to think their money is secure when they lend it to a bank,
Yeah they might, but what are you saying? 6.75 levied on ALL deposits, below 100,000 and 9.9% on all savings above 100,000, is unfair as a contribution towards a £10Billion bailout? Should the EU have just bailed them out £16billion and taken Cyprus' infrastructure etc as collateral?
By choosing to avoid austerity measures in Cyprus in recent years they have come to require a bailout.
I think it would be better if this money were going directly to the people in the form of a tax rebate and not to banks or the banking system, but I think this is actually an innovation on the methods applied in other EU countries, specifically Greece and Spain.

It would be interesting to compare how the USA, UK, PIGS, and other Euro nations have dealt with the Crisis compared to Cyprus.

TBH I don't pretend to be able to issue economic policy advice nor do I know anything about Cyprus beyond hearing about this stuff happening how.

I do think though the piece Feather posted made a good point in saying this may encourage runs on banks elsewhere.

But I think I'd probably start with hanging a few bankers. And selling all their stuff.
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dogsmilk wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Anyone who's like me will have money in current accounts that's there to cover the regular bills food / utilities etc. Snatch any of it, and we'd be stuffed for a while. Does it include business accounts?

We have an account that is just use to put money in to pay for future bills.

Mike - a lot of working people might put money away for a rainy day, or be saving up for a mortgage deposit or something. They might sacrifice a credit card lifestyle for this. And people like to think their money is secure when they lend it to a bank,

This is the whole point of a bloody bank.
Not anymore, now they're there to rape and plunder with the collusion of our illustrious fucking leaders.
Cunts.
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