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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 21:58 #21

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
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-chose who I am friends with
-where I work
-where I live
-what I do with my spare time
-if I worship or not
-who or if I vote
-if or how many kids I have
-if or who I marry/partner with
'Slave' is a strong word. But none of the things you listed are a threat or even detrimental to the interests that control society. As soon as you do things that are a threat to them, you will soon find out how free you are.

Also, to paraphrase Bill Hicks, you will find out very quickly if you don't have money that it's not a remotely free society.

So it is freedom which comes with limits. I think to the greater part the limits in the UK are reasonable. Indeed, if someone does things that a threat to me, family, friends, neighbours and our property, they will find out how free they are. That protection is provided by the state, a tradition that goes back a long way.

As for not having money, if you drop out and contribute nothing, why should you get anything?
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Re:Re: Re:Re: Re:If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 22:20 #22

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andyh wrote:
32 trillion in the caymans is not important to these people

Unfortunately it is not get-attable. It is pie in the sky.

The UK cannot actually get hold of any of this money. It is located beyond our tax jurisdiction and is, by and large, owned by non-doms.

What we can do is control the money we can get hold of. Maybe we do not do that very well but there is an obligation to spend it wisely.
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Re:Re: Re:Re: Re:If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 22:36 #23

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32 trillion in the caymans is not important to these people

Unfortunately it is not get-attable. It is pie in the sky.

The UK cannot actually get hold of any of this money. It is located beyond our tax jurisdiction and is, by and large, owned by non-doms.

What we can do is control the money we can get hold of. Maybe we do not do that very well but there is an obligation to spend it wisely.

It should never have ended up that way in the first place, perhaps the they wouldn't be looking to scrape the bottom of the barrel with atos.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 22:53 #24

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As for not having money, if you drop out and contribute nothing, why should you get anything?
There are 2 billion people in the world who live off $2 per day or less. Are they all just lazy?

All you are seeing at the moment is a race to the bottom. Virtually no-one in the world has any meaningful control over their own existence at this point in time.

I'm very fortunate in that I have a marketable skill, and it can be sold at a premium if you're extremely good. This enables me to be in the top 0.5% of earners in the world (not in itself a huge achievement considering labour conditions the world over are appalling). This is all good fortune, I can't take any credit for that really, although I have worked hard, it's just a combination of circumstances, genetics, meeting the right people at the right time, having the right influences in my life, and a bit of hard work as well. But it’s a constant battle. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people attempting to do the same thing who are for the most part making jack shit. They’re constantly trying to undercut me. Additionally, there are already computers that can do what I do, and this could conceivably have an effect in the future.

And if I’d been born in Uganda, forget it. If I’d had slightly different life circumstances, it probably wouldn’t have happened. If I didn’t have the brain and genetic make-up that I’ve got, it wouldn’t have worked out well, I would just be barely scraping a living, or I would have given up on it already. And, crucially, if such time comes as the ‘market’ and economic system decrees that it doesn’t need me any longer – and it doesn’t particularly need hundreds of thousands of other people attempting to do the same thing – end of story. I can’t say “I’m happy doing this, this is what I’m good at, this is my ideal lifestyle”. No money. I’ll have to get a job. What am I qualified to do? Nothing. Are there are jobs available anyway? Not really. We’re already seeing PhD graduates told that there are no opportunities for them by the Jobcentre and that they should work as a security guard, or go on workfare.

You exist within certain market parameters over which you have no control. How many people give up their dreams before they’re even an adult because they’re told there’s no money in it? A hell of a lot. For at least half of the world’s population, dreams don’t really come into it, they simply live a hand-to-mouth, survival existence.

None of this is really necessary and I this is why I say people are not free.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 23:00 #25

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In the UK we still have a monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II as the head of the state,which includes being head of the armed services and police force.

The majority of land in the UK is owned by Nobility which stems from a medieval hierarchical system.

The majority of people in that period were called serfs or peasants,serfs were bound legally, economically, and socially. Serfs formed the lowest social class of feudal society.

Serfs didn't own land and had no way of being independent from the system of feudalism.

Since the medieval period there have been a few tweaks here and there but as a whole the majority are still tied to the system and without it would not be able to survive or be independent from it.

Many people today strive to own their own home but even when they achieve this the actual land the house stands on will not be their land and they will continue to pay ground rent.

I personally think there has not been a significant change in the feudal system in the UK since medieval times.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 23:03 #26

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I personally think there has not been a significant change in the feudal system in the UK since medieval times.
I agree, if anything it is worse because although living standards are obviously far higher, firstly, at least in medieval times people knew they were in a feudal system, whereas today they don't, and secondly the reach and power of this neo-feudal system today is astronomical. When it was the king's guards and such like, the people could fight back, and indeed there were revolutions and civil wars. When it's nuclear weapons and the NSA, it gets a bit more complicated.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 23:08 #27

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The creation of various perceived but not legally recognized levels in status has been a master stroke.

The landed gentry chuckle about that one for sure. ;)

to expand further lords and ladies have legally recognized titles and status but some jumped up surf who considers they are better than another serf because they've got some fiat is still legally a surf.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 23:14 #28

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 17 Feb 2014 23:50 #29

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None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe



For anyone thinking that they are free, have a go at this and see how it goes. It won't harm anyone and yet ...

Strip off all your clothes and walk around outside of your house.

If you are so free, why are you restricted from being naked in public?

It is your physicality, right?

You don't require permission to not wear clothing, right?


How about masturbating in public?

Once again, your physicality and masturbating causes no harm to another. You are free to do whatever you like as long as it isn't causing another harm, right?


How about ingesting specific species of plants, like cannabis?

You are free to enjoy the various plant species that the planet provides, right?

I mean, you can walk down the street smoking a joint, right?

It causes no harm to another and you are free to ingest it in any manner you see fit, right?


Amazing when you look at the 'small print' of your contract with society huh. All of a sudden it hits you right between the eyes ... you are restricted, enslaved.

Here's how it 'works' ...

When you are born, if you have a look at your 'birth certificate', your mother is listed as the 'informant'. She informs the registered company that she is enslaved to of a new 'product' ... YOU!!!

The registered company (commonly known of as a country) floats a bond and attaches it to the birth certificate, placing both in a 'trust' account/fund. The registered company then informs the Rothschild central bank of its 'new product' and borrows against the 'new products' future tax payments when the product has 'matured' and starts working for the registered company.

Each 'product' in the company goes through 'training' (read indoctrination) to learn how to 'work' for the registered company. This is commonly known of as the 'education system'. The 'training' allows for easy recognition of how well the indoctrination (in-doctrine-nation) has 'worked', thus allowing for differing 'payments'/'rewards' to those following the 'doctrine in that nation' (nation = registered company).

Once the 'new product' accepts that its enslavement is freedom (through accepting limited choices as if it is freedom of choice), then you have a 'ready made worker' that will inevitably fight to maintain it's 'freedom', demanding that it's choices be limited and that others choices be limited as well.

All you had to do to achieve this is to get the individual to answer to their slaves name and contract themselves under the slaves name. You know, that name on the product registration form, the birth certificate, the registered companies record of ownership.
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Re:If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 00:04 #30

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We only have a limited time on this planet. At some point we have to realise that happiness comes from within and external circumstances can never make us happy. :)

If we spend ALL our time staring into the abyss and saying "Woe is me" we are wasting our very short lives.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 00:06 #31

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There's no proof of the birth bond theory as far as I know......it seems to be a bit of a fmotl conspiracy theory but I think it's got deeper origins.... although it would make sense to give financial value at birth so more money can be raised off the back of it.
The registering of slaves is there to see though.
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Re:If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 00:08 #32

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It is said there are more slaves now than at any time in history.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 00:25 #33

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“Supposedly, governments were invented to make human life easier and safer. But governments always end up enslaving humanity. That which we create to “serve” us ends up ruling us. The U.S. government by and for the people… now imprisons millions, takes half the national income by force, over-regulates, punishes, tortures, slaughters foreigners, invades countries, overthrows governments, imposes 700 imperialistic bases overseas, inflates the currency, and crashes future generations with massive debts. That which we create to serve us ends up ruling us. The problem with the “state as servant” thesis is that it is historically, completely false, both empirically and logically. The idea that states were voluntarily invented by citizens to enhance their own security is utterly untrue… The earliest governments and empires were in fact a ruling class of slave-hunters, who understood that because human beings could produce more than they consumed, they were worth hunting, capturing, breaking in, and owning… When cows are placed in very confining stalls, they beat their heads against the walls resulting in injuries and infections. Thus farmers now give them more room; not because they want to set their cows free, but rather because they want greater productivity and lower costs. The next stop after free-range is not freedom. The rise of state capitalism in the 19th century was actually the rise of free-range serfdom. Additional “liberties” were granted to the (human) livestock not with the goal of setting them free, but rather with the goal of increasing their productivity… When you look at a map of the world, you are not looking at countries, but farms. You are allowed certain liberties: limited property ownership, movement rights, freedom of association and occupation; not because your government approves of these rights in principle – since it constantly violates them – but rather because free-range livestock is so much cheaper to own, and so much more productive… State capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, democracy… these are all livestock management approaches. Some work well for long periods… and some work very badly. They all fail eventually because it is immoral and irrational to treat human beings as livestock… Rulers have recognized that if they prevent you from fleeing the farm, you will become depressed, inert, and unproductive. A serf is the most productive when he imagines he is free. Thus your rulers must provide you the illusion of freedom in order to harvest you most effectively. Thus you are allowed to leave, but never to real freedom, only to another farm. Because the whole world is a farm. They will prevent you from taking a lot of money, they will bury you in endless paperwork, they will restrict your right to work… but you are “free” to leave. Due to these difficulties very few people do leave, but the illusion of mobility is maintained. If only 1 out of 1000 cows’ escape, but the illusion of escaping significantly raises the productivity for the remaining 999, it remains a net gain for the farmer. You are also kept on the farm through licensing. The most productive livestock are the (so-called educated) “professionals”. So the rulers fit them with an electronic dog collar called a license, which only allows them to practice their trade on their own farm. To further create the illusion of freedom, in certain farms the livestock are allowed to choose between a few farmers (politicians) that the investors present. At best they are given minor choices (votes) in how they are managed. (But) they are never given the choice to shut down the farm and be truly free. Government schools are indoctrination pens for livestock. They train children to “love the farm” and to fear true freedom and independence, and to attack anyone who questions the brutal reality of human ownership. Furthermore they create jobs for the intellectuals that state propaganda so relies on. The idea that democracy and some sort of social contract justifies the brutal exercise of violent power over billions is patently ridiculous. If you say to a slave that his ancestors “chose” slavery and therefore he is bound by their decisions, he will simply say ‘If slavery is a choice, then I choose not to be a slave.‘ This is the most frightening statement for the ruling classes, which is why they train their slaves to attack anyone who dares speak it. Statism is an ideology, and all ideologies are variations on human livestock management practices. Nationalism is pimped-out bigotry, designed to provoke a “Stockholm Syndrome” in the livestock… You do not have to be livestock. Take the red pill. Wake up…” —Stefan Molyneux

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 02:21 #34

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It is said there are more slaves now than at any time in history.


www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigrat...aves-in-Britain.html


Foreign diplomats abusing immunity to keep domestic slaves in Britain
Foreign diplomats are abusing their immunity from prosecution to keep domestic workers as slaves in Britain, an investigation has found.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 02:52 #35

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An African's View of the Slave Trade - YouTube



In America we have many notions about the slave trade and it's purposes and evil. But are we ...
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 09:48 #36

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No one is free while there is a Psychopathocracy ruling the masses :thumbup:
All Corruption is unified under Psychopathic alchemy - fuck the Patriarch and it's enablers!!

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 10:17 #37

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
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As for not having money, if you drop out and contribute nothing, why should you get anything?
There are 2 billion people in the world who live off $2 per day or less. Are they all just lazy?

All you are seeing at the moment is a race to the bottom. Virtually no-one in the world has any meaningful control over their own existence at this point in time.

I'm very fortunate in that I have a marketable skill, and it can be sold at a premium if you're extremely good. This enables me to be in the top 0.5% of earners in the world (not in itself a huge achievement considering labour conditions the world over are appalling). This is all good fortune, I can't take any credit for that really, although I have worked hard, it's just a combination of circumstances, genetics, meeting the right people at the right time, having the right influences in my life, and a bit of hard work as well. But it’s a constant battle. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people attempting to do the same thing who are for the most part making jack shit. They’re constantly trying to undercut me. Additionally, there are already computers that can do what I do, and this could conceivably have an effect in the future.

And if I’d been born in Uganda, forget it. If I’d had slightly different life circumstances, it probably wouldn’t have happened. If I didn’t have the brain and genetic make-up that I’ve got, it wouldn’t have worked out well, I would just be barely scraping a living, or I would have given up on it already. And, crucially, if such time comes as the ‘market’ and economic system decrees that it doesn’t need me any longer – and it doesn’t particularly need hundreds of thousands of other people attempting to do the same thing – end of story. I can’t say “I’m happy doing this, this is what I’m good at, this is my ideal lifestyle”. No money. I’ll have to get a job. What am I qualified to do? Nothing. Are there are jobs available anyway? Not really. We’re already seeing PhD graduates told that there are no opportunities for them by the Jobcentre and that they should work as a security guard, or go on workfare.

You exist within certain market parameters over which you have no control. How many people give up their dreams before they’re even an adult because they’re told there’s no money in it? A hell of a lot. For at least half of the world’s population, dreams don’t really come into it, they simply live a hand-to-mouth, survival existence.

None of this is really necessary and I this is why I say people are not free.

As I say, there are degrees of freedom. I am luckily one of the most free in the world. Others are not. I am so unlike a slave it is not true. That is why I take exception to be called a slave, in any form. It is so far from the truth it is not real.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 10:22 #38

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe



For anyone thinking that they are free, have a go at this and see how it goes. It won't harm anyone and yet ...

Strip off all your clothes and walk around outside of your house.

If you are so free, why are you restricted from being naked in public?

It is your physicality, right?

You don't require permission to not wear clothing, right?


How about masturbating in public?

Once again, your physicality and masturbating causes no harm to another. You are free to do whatever you like as long as it isn't causing another harm, right?


How about ingesting specific species of plants, like cannabis?

You are free to enjoy the various plant species that the planet provides, right?

I mean, you can walk down the street smoking a joint, right?

It causes no harm to another and you are free to ingest it in any manner you see fit, right?


Amazing when you look at the 'small print' of your contract with society huh. All of a sudden it hits you right between the eyes ... you are restricted, enslaved.

Here's how it 'works' ...

When you are born, if you have a look at your 'birth certificate', your mother is listed as the 'informant'. She informs the registered company that she is enslaved to of a new 'product' ... YOU!!!

The registered company (commonly known of as a country) floats a bond and attaches it to the birth certificate, placing both in a 'trust' account/fund. The registered company then informs the Rothschild central bank of its 'new product' and borrows against the 'new products' future tax payments when the product has 'matured' and starts working for the registered company.

Each 'product' in the company goes through 'training' (read indoctrination) to learn how to 'work' for the registered company. This is commonly known of as the 'education system'. The 'training' allows for easy recognition of how well the indoctrination (in-doctrine-nation) has 'worked', thus allowing for differing 'payments'/'rewards' to those following the 'doctrine in that nation' (nation = registered company).

Once the 'new product' accepts that its enslavement is freedom (through accepting limited choices as if it is freedom of choice), then you have a 'ready made worker' that will inevitably fight to maintain it's 'freedom', demanding that it's choices be limited and that others choices be limited as well.

All you had to do to achieve this is to get the individual to answer to their slaves name and contract themselves under the slaves name. You know, that name on the product registration form, the birth certificate, the registered companies record of ownership.

Not being able to wank in public does not mean you are subject to slavery. Your FOTL beliefs are ...... :killinme:
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 10:29 #39

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
“Supposedly, governments were invented to make human life easier and safer. ...........:

The big flaw in the wall of text is that governments did not create what you are referring to. People did. Lots of different people. Some not even in the government. So we are not controlled as you imagine.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 10:41 #40

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I recognise that in order to live as harmoniously as possible with other people I must relinquish or compromise some of my personal freedoms - Some of these I do so happily (I am not one for public masturbation for example) others not so happily (freedom to smoke weed without fear of being criminalised).

I recognise that in order to receive some of the benefits of living within a collective I need to be able to prove I am who I say I am and be an active participant in that community..

I also recognise that in order to sustain myself I must put in some form of effort.

I do not believe that I am enslaved rather I believe I live within a society that has flaws - flaws that stem from our nature. We put wealth and power before people and well being, Place value on those who create more wealth rather than those who look after the welfare of others and deny others rights based on fear, intolerance and tradition.

We do however have choices - we may not like those choices but they do exist. Not being able to earn enough in the way in which you might like to in order to live the lifestyle you may want to does not make you a slave. Slaves have no choices nor rights.

Things imho do need to change I am in no way saying they don't.
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In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

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