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TOPIC: If I am a slave, then how come I am so free?

If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 12:02 #41

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As I say, there are degrees of freedom. I am luckily one of the most free in the world. Others are not. I am so unlike a slave it is not true. That is why I take exception to be called a slave, in any form. It is so far from the truth it is not real.

Obviously if you dangle that carrot in front of forum members Many will want you to expand on how you are one of the most free in the world?

Your statement obviously indicates you consider other people not to be free.

It's a mind trick isn't it. ;)
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 18 Feb 2014 12:25 #42

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humanspirit wrote:
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Obviously if you dangle that carrot in front of forum members Many will want you to expand on how you are one of the most free in the world?

Your statement obviously indicates you consider other people not to be free.

It's a mind trick isn't it. ;)

I explained in the OP how I am free. Other people are less free than me. Slaves are the least free of all. It is not in the mind at all.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 13:21 #43

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Just as on DIF, there is a group here who insist I am a slave. Apparently that is because I do a job and get paid and it is despite the fact I am so free to do tons of very different things from

-chose who I am friends with
-where I work
-where I live
-what I do with my spare time
-if I worship or not
-who or if I vote
-if or how many kids I have
-if or who I marry/partner with

the list could go on and on. I am nothing like a true slave and other people here from the UK are the same. To equate me and even themselves with a real slave is an illusion of their own making.

what if you decide you dont want to be part of the system and decide to find some secluded spot in the forest and build a bender to live a self sufficient life harming nobody and keeping to yourself - are you free to do that?

What if you decide that you dont want to pay for corrupt bankers and warmongering and nuclear power and fracking etc so withhold taxes and exclude yourself from government services -are you free to do that?

What if you decide to protest outside parliament against the murderous UK government overseas policies - are you free to do that?

as others have said, as long as you take part in the (slave) system which is made available to you, living within certain constraints by your owners, you are free(ish). Step outside that however, even if you are hurting nobody, then you will find out how free you are.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 18:45 #44

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diforumreject wrote:
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what if you decide you dont want to be part of the system and decide to find some secluded spot in the forest and build a bender to live a self sufficient life harming nobody and keeping to yourself - are you free to do that?

What if you decide that you dont want to pay for corrupt bankers and warmongering and nuclear power and fracking etc so withhold taxes and exclude yourself from government services -are you free to do that?

What if you decide to protest outside parliament against the murderous UK government overseas policies - are you free to do that?

as others have said, as long as you take part in the (slave) system which is made available to you, living within certain constraints by your owners, you are free(ish). Step outside that however, even if you are hurting nobody, then you will find out how free you are.

Get permission from the landowner, but or rent the land in live in your tent. There are ways to live with few modern trappings. I have a mate who lives very cheaply on a boat. He does some work in return for free mooring during the winter and storms and moves about the rest of the time.

No you are not free to opt of of taxes. You are free to vote out a government you do not agree with and campaign for what you want.

You are allowed to protest outside of parliament, subject to permissions and restrictions, designed to allow all groups their turn and not overwhelm the place and disrupt others. www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-ri...st-around-parliament

Is "step outside" a euphemism for breaking the law?
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:04 #45

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I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:16 #46

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I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:22 #47

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Barnfish wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.
only a slave needs to ask for his owners permission :rofl:
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:23 #48

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Barnfish wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.

Being free to campaign for a freedom I might not get isn't my idea of being free!
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:42 #49

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I got beaten over the head and chased across westminster bridge just for trying to exercise my democratic right to lobby my mp.....not even protesting.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:44 #50

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justoneman wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.
only a slave needs to ask for his owners permission :rofl:

Freely campaigning in a democracy is nothing like a slave asking permission. :killinme:
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Re:Re: If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:44 #51

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I got beaten over the head and chased across westminster bridge just for trying to exercise my democratic right to lobby my mp.....not even protesting.

You should demand that your MP comes and sees you!
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:45 #52

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Barnfish wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.

Being free to campaign for a freedom I might not get isn't my idea of being free!

It is mine!
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 19:47 #53

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Cue huxley's ultimate revolution quotes.
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"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 20:28 #54

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Barnfish wrote:
diforumreject wrote:
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what if you decide you dont want to be part of the system and decide to find some secluded spot in the forest and build a bender to live a self sufficient life harming nobody and keeping to yourself - are you free to do that?

What if you decide that you dont want to pay for corrupt bankers and warmongering and nuclear power and fracking etc so withhold taxes and exclude yourself from government services -are you free to do that?

What if you decide to protest outside parliament against the murderous UK government overseas policies - are you free to do that?

as others have said, as long as you take part in the (slave) system which is made available to you, living within certain constraints by your owners, you are free(ish). Step outside that however, even if you are hurting nobody, then you will find out how free you are.

Get permission from the landowner, but or rent the land in live in your tent. There are ways to live with few modern trappings. I have a mate who lives very cheaply on a boat. He does some work in return for free mooring during the winter and storms and moves about the rest of the time.

No you are not free to opt of of taxes. You are free to vote out a government you do not agree with and campaign for what you want.

You are allowed to protest outside of parliament, subject to permissions and restrictions, designed to allow all groups their turn and not overwhelm the place and disrupt others. www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-ri...st-around-parliament

Is "step outside" a euphemism for breaking the law?

so in summary, the answer is no, you are not free to do what you want, live where you want, smoke what you want, pay for what you want. You are only free to do what the owners have decided is beneficial for them and the system they represent. Bit like working for a benevolent plantation owner, free to do what you want - as long as it doesn't interfere with your work, the business or the profits!

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the definition of slavery is:-
# the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
# the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work

that sums up modern "life" pretty well, the elite having absolute power over others lives, being forced into work etc etc. Difficult to argue with any logic that those definitions do not apply to our lives in the UK and elsewhere, but no doubt the "work sets you free" crowd will give it a go anyway - but if I work hard pay my taxes and do as I'm told I can have a big house and only have to spend a third of my life in servitude, my masters are really nice and progressive I'm not a slave!.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 20:38 #55

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Having certain limitations on what you can do does not mean slavery. Read the definition you posted again and try and understand it in comparison to the freedoms you do enjoy.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 20:57 #56

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Barnfish wrote:
justoneman wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I want to be free to smoke a naturally occurring plant in the park without fear of harassment/arrest.

Campaign for it, with various places like Colorado and Uruguay taking the first steps, I am sure your want is now more achievable than before.
only a slave needs to ask for his owners permission :rofl:

Freely campaigning in a democracy is nothing like a slave asking permission. :killinme:

the illusion of democracy and freedom
a world run in anarchy, but the good guys are the only ones who dont know it
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 21:02 #57

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Video NOT working justoneman.
A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


www.happyplace.com/24470/a-love-letter-t...g-my-online-activity
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 21:06 #58

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justoneman wrote:
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the illusion of democracy and freedom
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The reality of freedom and democracy

www.freedomhouse.org/report-types/freedom-world#.UwkRA4XFnKc
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 21:32 #59

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Opinions on a thread in DIF on Democracy, myself and others "democrátically" Banned,



www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1046
A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 22 Feb 2014 21:48 #60

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The Story of your Enslavement



I don't particularly like Stefan Molyneux, but this is a great vid & one I heartily agree with.
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