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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 13:45 #81

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Pictures and you tube videos instead of being able to put down your own coherent argument. Next you'll be drawing me pictures with your crayons :killinme:

Here is small meta study of freedom indexes. The UK rates well above average. It is not perfect and there are things we could do better. But when it comes to the major issues, we enjoy significant freedoms. I can prove that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Switzerland or New Zealand are the countries we should aim to emulate.


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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 13:50 #82

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when people use their masters definition of freedom to prove they are free that is circular reasoning,
I used my blue crayon :D

fallacy no.14
quizlet.com/8411045/25-logical-fallacies...ld-know-flash-cards/
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 13:56 #83

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Having certain limitations on what you can do does not mean slavery. Read the definition you posted again and try and understand it in comparison to the freedoms you do enjoy.

so completely ignore any and all restrictions on our freedom, but only consider the definition in regards to the few "freedoms" we do enjoy. :rofl: The current system meets the definition, period.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom at all, you seem to think if you are given any petty choices in your life then you are free, you have ignored or sidestepped plenty of major examples given in this thread about how little freedom we actually have, yet get positively giddy about the few benefits we have.

It is you who does not understand freedom or slavery. You equate limitations on what people can do as a lack of freedom and cause of slavery, ignoring all the freedoms we do have. We have significant freedoms many in the world do not have

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents

plus all the major freedoms I listed in the OP and those shown in the video, The Story of Your Enslavement. That completely ignores major freedoms or tries to make out they are restrictions. :killinme: Being free to associate with whom I want, marry who I want, work at what I want, live where I want are "petty". What a load of crap you spout!
so you can work at whatever you want and live wherever you want? You seem to have significantly more freedom than the rest of us. Your assumption that because we have some "freedoms", we cannot be subject to slavery is childish and stupid. I'm sure back in the day on the plantation some of the slaves also had some freedoms, some choices, everyone always does to some degree. Slaves have some freedoms and free men have some restrictions. having some choices does not equal freedom. Arguing that because we have significantly more freedoms than some in the world, we are not slaves, is a bit like cotton plantation slaves arguing that they are free because their owner lets them have Sundays off.

We are forced to participate in a certain system, you cannot opt out, there is no choice to opt out at all, but you are given a few choices on how you can operate within that system, which gives stupid people like you the illusion they are free. If you ever try to opt out force will be used against you, that makes us enslaved.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 14:01 #84

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Barnfish wrote:
Here is small meta study of freedom indexes. The UK rates well above average. It is not perfect and there are things we could do better. But when it comes to the major issues, we enjoy significant freedoms. I can prove that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

wow, our owners rated by how well they treat their slaves, useful data that. Wonder if there was ever a list of benevolent plantation owners back in the day?
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 14:07 #85

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chandrakavi wrote:
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Pictures and you tube videos instead of being able to put down your own coherent argument. Next you'll be drawing me pictures with your crayons :killinme:

Here is small meta study of freedom indexes. The UK rates well above average. It is not perfect and there are things we could do better. But when it comes to the major issues, we enjoy significant freedoms. I can prove that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Switzerland or New Zealand are the countries we should aim to emulate.


Ok barnfish, take your medicine, and go Back to sleep.
Have a nice day!

Never wake up a slave, he might be enjoying freedom in his dreams.
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we should leave him alone, as he reminds me of my mother, she used to say things that could only be disagreed with as she loved to bicker, there will always be people who love to boost their own self importance by playing devils advocate, it makes them feel wanted and loved, this way they dont notice the neck brace and chains :chuckle:
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 14:19 #86

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Barnfish wrote:
Tomorrow he could have a shave and put on a suit and get a company job. He could even swap with an accountant ...

Like Letchworth-Smythe & Co?

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 22:16 #87

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 22:29 #88

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 22:42 #89

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 22:43 #90

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The problem is is that a lot of people want to be slaves. A bit like how bees want to collect for the hive, I do believe humans behave swarm like.
It's a self imposed imprisonment.
So is a volunteer really a slave?
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 22:46 #91

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The problem is is that a lot of people want to be slaves. A bit like how bees want to collect for the hive, I do believe humans behave swarm like.
It's a self imposed imprisonment.
So is a volunteer really a slave?

Part of one BIG happy family....
EDIT:

Animal Farm trailer - YouTube



Animal Farm trailer
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 23:10 #92

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 23:15 #93

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I just realized barnfish has been banned.


"A free slave man banned..."


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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 23 Feb 2014 23:30 #94

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Barnfish wrote:
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So According to you, this "fake logic" was done by a bunch of "Commies"?

No. You just made that crap up.


Hadn't seen this you wrote,

Well, you are the one who talked about "false logic"
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That was a series of false analogies, fake logic and if anything showed how societies have become more free over the centuries. It also assumes there is an elite that controls the rest of the population.
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 24 Feb 2014 01:56 #95

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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 24 Feb 2014 06:50 #96

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chandrakavi wrote:
I just realized barnfish has been banned.


"A free slave man banned..."


:D

why was he/she banned?
Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there is to be known.

“Just living is not enough, one must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower”
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 24 Feb 2014 08:35 #97

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chandrakavi wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:
The problem is is that a lot of people want to be slaves. A bit like how bees want to collect for the hive, I do believe humans behave swarm like.
It's a self imposed imprisonment.
So is a volunteer really a slave?

Part of one BIG happy family....
EDIT:

Animal Farm trailer - YouTube



Animal Farm trailer

vimeo.com/4267076

:arrowup:


Human Swarm from Nicky Assmann
This is a registration of a performance I created for a random group of people that behave according to a set of rules written down in a script, that they were given right before the performance. The set of rules is based on swarming or also flocking behaviour that you see for example in flocks of birds or a school of fish. The experiment was to see what patterns humans would create in flocking behaviour :thumbup:


The Human Swarm documentary (as shown on chl4)
:arrowdown:
www.dailymotion.com/video/x14pper_human-swarm_shortfilms
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 24 Feb 2014 09:45 #98

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Ok, I banned barnfish because he was smug and duplicitous and pretty much a shit.
this is supppsed to be a sanctum right?
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If I am a slave, then how come I am so free? 24 Feb 2014 09:52 #99

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Ok, I banned barnfish because he was smug and duplicitous and pretty much a shit.
this is supppsed to be a sanctum right?

seriously?
Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there is to be known.

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