Quality Street wrote:
That was a series of false analogies, fake logic and if anything showed how societies have become more free over the centuries. It also assumes there is an elite that controls the rest of the population.

Barnfish wrote:
So According to you, this "fake logic" was done by a bunch of "Commies"?

Barnfish wrote:
Then you are 'free'.

Hopefully you will never truly understand the notion of freedom and have to challenge your belief.

For me it's the they'll of being caught.
Right abs?

batou wrote:
Anything you say, sweet-cheeks.

Also, there is little difference between the slave and the free-man. One may realise his indenture and think on it often, the other simply does the same with his freedom.

chandrakavi wrote:
lol

I meant thrill but the auto correct changed it for me.

We know exactly what you meant.

Barnfish wrote:
so completely ignore any and all restrictions on our freedom, but only consider the definition in regards to the few "freedoms" we do enjoy. The current system meets the definition, period.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom at all, you seem to think if you are given any petty choices in your life then you are free, you have ignored or sidestepped plenty of major examples given in this thread about how little freedom we actually have, yet get positively giddy about the few benefits we have.

diforumreject wrote:
Maybe financial security provides the illusion of security and satisfaction for a few. It may also have reasonable purchase on 'smug'.

chandrakavi wrote:
No. You just made that crap up.

diforumreject wrote:
It is you who does not understand freedom or slavery. You equate limitations on what people can do as a lack of freedom and cause of slavery, ignoring all the freedoms we do have. We have significant freedoms many in the world do not have

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents

plus all the major freedoms I listed in the OP and those shown in the video, The Story of Your Enslavement. That completely ignores major freedoms or tries to make out they are restrictions. Being free to associate with whom I want, marry who I want, work at what I want, live where I want are "petty". What a load of crap you spout!

Yes there are some things we cannot do (at this time) such as smoke pot and live on other people's land without permission and pay taxes. Society has decided such. You can campaign to change the limitations, but if you lose you should accept it.

If you think you are free, then you think you are free.
Simple as that.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
The presenter of that video has enslaved himself to hippydom and counter culture without even realising it. His clothes, beard and hair style are his uniform to show to others what part of society he aligns himself to. The part he misses is that he is free to do that. Tomorrow he could have a shave and put on a suit and get a company job. He could even swap with an accountant who wants to drop out, grow his hair and have a dress down day every day. Has anyone been watching this series?

www.channel5.com/shows/ben-fogle-new-lives-in-the-wild

People who have stepped away from the rat race and live a simple life in remote parts of the world. Live the dream!

andyh wrote:
If you think you are a slave, then you think you are a slave. It must be horrible to live in a free society thinking you are a slave. A slave in your own head.

I think you might have taken the blue pill

Barnfish wrote:

Barnfish wrote:

Pictures and you tube videos instead of being able to put down your own coherent argument. Next you'll be drawing me pictures with your crayons

Here is small meta study of freedom indexes. The UK rates well above average. It is not perfect and there are things we could do better. But when it comes to the major issues, we enjoy significant freedoms. I can prove that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Switzerland or New Zealand are the countries we should aim to emulate.